i just got back from a scraped together hot raid, in which i was the only mage. this means i had to do ds, mod rods, and even malosini/mala duty (shaman was only 58 :( ). natrually, i was going to need alot of healing for mana.

we were short on clerics, but guess what? the druids made so good of a substitute that i didnt even notice. my raid buffed hp is somewhere around 3850, and the heal does almost effectively completely heal me. and we're talking about with only like 300 hp left too. i just cant believe how good druids are now.
you can nuke as well as me and you can also ch like a cleric... its insane.

a druid is now my grouping partner of choice :)

I love you Noonie :) . My only problem was the horrible lag, I was the only healer in my group and the delay in casting time was like a minute, I swear I died 5 if not 6 times because I wasnt able to recast :(

you can nuke as well as me and you can also ch like a cleric... its insane Yeah totaly insane,we can complete heal INT casters that have 3k hp.

Yawn.

Noonie, you've been around a fairly long time but don't visit this board very much....although I thought you'd know what "trolling" is by now. Did you really pay us this special visit just to stroke druid ego, or are you trying to stir people up? *raises eyebrow*

~Firemynd

you can nuke as well as me and you can also ch like a cleric... its insane.

Not really true, without spell casting subtlety the only way I'm going to do more damage than a magician without getting summoned and slaughtered is to camp mid way during the fight or get a CoH. Druid's lack of clicky nukes makes magicians better nukers in groups too. But thats besides the point, your pet outdamages you anyway. =)

If TR got introduced back in Kunark like Torpor did, we'd have been able to CH fairly close to what clerics could. As of right now, I'll often not be doing much more than a 50% heal.

Anyone have that pic of troll be-gone spray handy?? OMG, shamans have always been able to trivialize mobs with slow and torpor is one of the most mana efficient heal spells in game. Clerics have had a spell that trivializes healing since level 39, and with Luclin they dont nuke half bad either and get even better in PoP. They are soo overpowered, lets nerf shamans, clerics, and druids!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure she's not trolling and our heal is quite nice.

heheh...Michigan.

I like reading the Mage's posts.

you have a &nbsp in it ya n00b

lol i pay a positive comment and you all call me a troll? whatever...

and my hp is closer to 4k than 3k. if you honestly think this heal isnt extremely powerful you need to open your eyes...
even if you cant be in the ch rotation (which with proper positioning a druid very well can be since it leaves alot of room for error), you can at least partake in efficiently keeping the mod rod factory going which is a strong raid role itself :P

and seeing as 90% of people use msie i really dont care if netscape users see a &nbsp so NEENER.

hi glynna :)

I agree, it is a quite powerful spell and a very nice upgrade. I am just bothered by the fact that within three to six months after PoP comes out then we will be back in the same boat (or pretty close to it) as we were before this heal. Now, if VI puts an upgrade to this heal at 64 or 65 and gives up an upgrade to cb, then I think we will be in good shape for a while. I also think they need to take a look at NT which is now a higher level heal that is nearly worthless and NR which is a higher level heal(?) that has always been mostly worthless.

But overall, it is a HUGE step in the right direction, and I still think they need to do some work on the cleric class as well.

I'm sorry I misunderstood your comment, but a phrase like "druids are sooo powerful now" is a type of comment that implies druids are overpowered/need nerfing/the heal was a mistake. A ton of clerics are complaining that its too poweful and should be taken away which of course isnt a compliment. A positive comment is more like "boy, thats a nice spell" or "its nice druids can heal in a group now". I agree that the spell in its current state is very nice for grouping and decent for raids. However, this very month PoP is coming where druid healing will once again fall to the wayside as melee will be gaining a good 2k+ hitpoints from new buffs/levels/AA skills - this means PoP mobs/aoes will be hitting alot harder. Even on boss mobs currently, the heal cant replace CH even necessarily using 2 druids in place of one cleric (yeah vindicator, va'dyn, etc its possible but try it on AL, AoW, etc). I dont exactly consider the heal to be overly powerful.

Anyway, your comment wasnt as inflammatory as some people's like saying druids are "xp gods", but it can still easily be taken the wrong way (I still chuckle at the xp gods comment, its not like druids can make 1 AA pt per 45 minutes like bards can after the last patch, although bards deserve something after verant totally destroyed their stacking ability).

I was in a Rumblecrush raid the other night.
First pull was to clear RC guards. 6 were pulled. For some reason, the ping pong killed all the clerics early. There were 5 of us druids in the raid. We started casting Tunare's Renewal to the MA and SA. All RC guards died. :)

After rezzing the dead, we rebuff and pull RC.
He died as well. :)

In some raids, druids can actually back up clerics on the heal rotation. See above. I said SOME, not all. Clerics are still the best healers. And if each cleric was assigned a druid as a personal protector during raids, that would help minimize clerics having to worry about healing themselves instead of the MA.

Add the new shaman heal spells and well.... :)

In some raids, druids can actually back up clerics on the heal rotation.


Not only back them up, but can actually replace the clerics in the rotation.

Ntov 2 nights ago :
Used a rotation with some slightly different timing, of 1 cleric, onto me ( druid ), onto cleric, onto druid, then back again.

Killed fishy and lady M with that.

Ok, so the tanks were bricking it and hurling some abuse that no way a druid could do it.... they were wrong and ate humble pie.

Love it.

- nieros

/Agree Noonie.

Whine, whine, whine the rest. We are NOT Clerics ffs. If you wanna be healer MAKE A CLERIC!! If you wanna be a nuker... MAKE A WIZARD!!

Man, why do all the lamers make Druids and give the rest of us a bad name?

Or, if you want to nuke and heal you make a druid, and you keep around a healthy supply of this...


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Noonie was making a nice compliment. I'm getting tired of everyone always complaining on these boards. You seem to think everyone who comes here is complaining. I for one do think the Heal is just fine at this time. I stress "at this time."

The only negative is the long casting time. Doesn't help with back up heals Like I would want to see. When I have used this spell on tanks for the first time, they say "wow!". So don't consider this to be such a bad thing.

Everyone lighten up :)

I can't understand why some of you are so pessimistic regarding the effectiveness of TR in PoP.

yes, it's effectiveness will be reduced compared to clerics CH with increasing hp of tanks. but it's still a 1:7 ratio heal compared to a 1:2,5 ratio heal like NT. and this ratio helps a ton.

on the other hand it's effectiveness will increase when cast on casters, as casters will also have more hp.

and when you are in a CH cycle, is there really such a difference in /pause 30 or /pause 25? you can still fill in for a cleric. not perfectly, but good enough.

TR is a great spell, the only thing I'd really want to see changed, it should work with healing gift.

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Nnope im not sure why people thought she was trolling.

Maybe some people think if its not a druid who posts here its automatically a troll.


Tils

I explained why people thought she was trolling - it was the way she worded her post saying that druids are too powerful. Yes, it may have been a compliment, but when its expressed in such a way of course its going to be taken as a cry for a nerf. And Turrwin, if you cant see the difference between CH and TR just wait till you try to be in a CH chain on AoW, Cursed, AL, etc. PoP with its mad hitpoint inflation means one thing - mobs and AOEs will be hitting for even more damage and the fact that this heal doesnt scale at all means druids will be back to square one in 2-3 months when people taking on higher level PoP mobs. Some of the AOE damage listed so far are quite painful and would be near impossible for a druid to keep up.

Don't mind Fire, he calls anyone a troll that isn't in his "clique". Just ignore his prattling.