This is NOT a planes of power post, so no need to move it.

Sorry to make this post but I have been hearing a ton of talk about this spell in Planes of Power.

Tunares Renewal has ZERO to do with Planes of Power. It is part of a balance issue. Clerics got there "melee" ability so we can get better healing spells. This was stated by Varent. Castersrealm seemed to have clumped them together because it was a new spell. For some reason people think Castersrealm is the bible to everquest. Far from it.

Tunares Renewal is a level 58 spell.

If im wrong this spell would be the only spell lower then level 61 to date on the test server for POP. I find that very hard to believe, considering this spell was brought to our attention well before Planes of Power spells were even thought of.

If I was a betting man, Its going live on the 26th of Sept with the patch. Cross your fingers. We had plenty of testing on this spell. All indications point to it going live soon. They didnt have to rename it, raise the level. They could have just left it alone for more testing and tweaking. In general this spell has had ALOT of activity around it in the past week.

If the spell does not go live before Planes of Power goes live i would very suprised. Druids/Shamans really need to learn how to use this spell. We will need the month to learn how to time the tanks health vs cast time. Im sure Varent wouldnt want this spell to go live with new unknown zones. If druids main heal without knowing how the spell works exactly, it would be chaos. Dead people everywhere.

However, no one knows if this spell is going to be vendor sold, dropped or even a quest. I HOPE its as simple as going to rivervale and buying it. I would even take a simple quest. But if its a no drop off an uber mob.. I will be seriously pissed off.

I give it 60/40 chance on the 26th.
I give it 90/10 chance before Pop in general.

Caster's Realm is notorious for having incomplete, erroneous, and poorly updated spell information. It was even a problem back when the site was EQ Enchanters. Caster's Realm has no "inside scoop" on spell information; just consider it a version of lucy.fnord.net that's updated very infrequently.

Thank you, Windfyreskii,
What we need is a little patience on this issue and Verant needs a better PR to keep these rants and bets under control. On that note it's too bad we don't have some of you working for them; it would go a long way to get just one post from them to clarify this.

Why should VI respond to anything that's taken from the Test server anyhow? Much less things that aren't even implemented on the test server. It's not Verant that's making itself look bad here, it's the players who are jumping the gun and making assumptions or trusting in third party sites like CastersRealm.

With the silence from VI, 3rd party sites are all the players have to go on...

Communication has been very good from VI over the past few months, which makes the current silence even more deafening and the players even more nervous.

"All priests should offer a similar level of value in solo, group, and raid situations, and they won't be considered balanced until this is true."

Why was it necessary to make yet another thread about this?

Probably because if he posted down deep in another thread it wouldnt have been noticed as people dont read everyones posts in a large thread.

He probably felt that people were overracting (yes they are) about not getting the spell before PoP.

Tils

/clap Tils
/agree Tils

You hit it right on the head.

Tunare's Renewal isn't balance anyway. Needing 2 or 3 or 4 druids to fill a single role of a cleric, CHing, and ignoring patch/rod/rampage healing, rezzing and buffing doesn't in even the most wacked out person's imagination meet the criteria of making druids equally useful/needed, nor is it going to reduce the need for clerics on raids.

Tunare's Renewal isn't class balancing, it's just part of putting more heals into the game. Clerics get 3, we get 1, sound about right? Last test patch gave paladins a 1200 for 300 1.5 second cast pulse heal to go along with divine light, marzin etc. Without Tunare's Renewel druids would clearly fall to 4rth in the healing game. Gimp CH is merely a form of keep up, and raids are STILL going to be at the mercy of needing more clerics logging in than any 5 other classes combined.

I have moved this spell to the Luclin Era on the EQ sites until we know when the spell is going to go live. It's something that I did overlook when crunching the spells in.

No date has yet been given for when the spell will be made public from SOE.

I do try my best to keep EQ Casters Realm as up to date as possible but it's a lot of work to be running sites for multiple games with the amount of info on them with only 2 of us working on the sites.

In future the best way to assist us is to shoot me an email if you think something might not be correct and we'll look into it.

Cheers,

Baelish
EQ Casters Realm
baelish@crgaming.com

Hi Baelish and welcome to DG. :)

"I do try my best to keep EQ Casters Realm as up to date as possible but it's a lot of work to be running sites for multiple games with the amount of info on them with only 2 of us working on the sites."

You do a great job for 2 people and its a cool site and well as we all know information can be interpreted differently and mistakes can be made..but it wasnt really a big problem and the post here was trying to stop any panic which was starting to happen.

Tils

I was always wondering, how are we supposed to know what our spells actually do WITHOUT looking at spoiler sites.

Verant needs to put spell descriptions on their site.
ALOT of spells actually need parsing through the spell data file to see what it does. (some spells can't be casted on yourself to check it out)

Parsing however is against the EULA and is exploiting.

The only logical step would be Verant putting spell info on www.everquest.com

--Zorx

Im a druid cleric so give me this spell and let me be a god once again

If two of the three healing classes need a "bump" in healing to "balance" healing what do you do?

1. You give more powerful healing to the one class that does "not" need it and later give a watered down version of an existing spell to the other two classes

or

2. You "balance" the classes that need it and leave the class that can heal fine alone

You know the answer and you know what Verant did.

If we only get that one heal this will be yet another total joke played on the Druid class.

You do not balance classes by giving better healing to all the classes. How does this balance anything?

If clerics were a "9" and Druids a "4" in healing and (assuming we only get that 75% heal) then Clerics move to a "10" and Druids a "5"

HOW DOES THIS BALANCE????

This does nothing but keep the status quo.

Verant comes out and publically states that Druids need better healing in relation to Clerics and then bumps up both classes (some would argue that the Clerics new heals are far better than the 75% heal we may get) then they are doing the very same thing they did to Druids after the last expansion when they gave us a nearly identical mana/ratio based heal as the one we already had.

Do I need to remind you that with SOL we did not recieve a single heal spell for a prime healing class?

I expect that 75% heal on Thursday. It "might" have been enough prior to Verant making Clerics even more powerful and them gimping most of the mobs that Druids could heal on.

Do not forget that they did "not" move the experience back to where it was. You still only get 75% of the exp for those light blue and many dark blue mobs even after they supposedly said they put the exp back - they did not.

They bowed to pressure from Clerics and gave them new heals when they did not need them. The class that needed a new heal asked for a percentage based heal (not capped!), a group heal or a HoT and we got the shaft.

Sorry but facts are facts.

Now if Verant wants to surprise us with a few news heals then I will eat my words.

I, and others, pushed hard for a true percentage based heal that would scale. The cap makes this heal not scale. The entire point of a percentage based heal is for the heal to grow more powerful as players hit points rise - the very reason that Complete Heal has scaled so well to become the spell it is today from over three years ago.

I am confused.

If we are supposed to heal the casters and support classes but not the "tanks" then why cap the heal at 75% so we cannot heal them to full?

If we are supposed to heal the tanks then why cal the heal at 2940 so we cannot heal to full?

Either make it a straight 3000 heal so we can fully heal the non-tanks or a straight 75% (or 50% like we asked) so our heal will scale up with the game.

It seems like this heal does nothing but ensure that we will suck at healing as compared to clerics.

While it is better than what we have it does not adjust the balance of power and raids/groups cannot go ahead without a clerics or if they are short clerics.

I thought the point was to have three classes out of 14 that could heal on raids at any level they were. The only time a Cleric would be "required" would be for the ultra uber stuff.

Can a Druid be the main healer with this 75% healer in Ssr Temple or in CT?

I agree it will likely go in Thurs

I got really bored on my quest for 60 (would still need to pass 58) though so I could not even use it.

Solo is so boring that I just gave up. I still get together occasionally to group up. A little mini bitter druids club rotting some of Norraths unnatural wonders.

Oh, my big push from 56 and 3 yellow stopped at....
56 and 3 yellow 1 blue. hehe.

My guess: ICH is not a PoP spell, but it will be a PoP *era* spell, in that it won't go live until PoP does.

What this does for Verant is takes the heat off from the clerics bitching that we get a healing upgrade, because they'll be busy playing with their own new spells.

IMO PoP will not be a required purchase for any new spell that appears on the sub61 level range. For example: SOE came out with Luclin, but works on every continent regardless of whether the caster owns Luclin or not.

Good to see someone from CR is looking at our posts :)

to little and way to late. As said previously. we need heal spells for our PRIEST class druids from mid 40s on up.

Not at level 58, and just one spell.

Eh, I will love if they put it in next patch but all it means is we will need to claw and scratch at each other to get probably another uberly rare dropped spell.

I really doubt it will be a vendor spell.

" I really doubt it will be a vendor spell. " Kbern

And you are basing this on what? There isn't any reason to believe it's NOT a vendor spell. :)

Why should VI respond to anything that's taken from the Test server anyhow?

Their "test" server is up there for the entire world to look at. If they don't want people looking under the covers and drawing the wrong conclusions, they should be better at either concealing that information or communicating with their customer base. They can warn people all they want about "may not go live", but this is the real world and people will jump to conclusions on their own.

Sure they are busy and can't respond to every subject, but do you think there is anything more on the radar right now for most druids than this particular issue?

The PoP spells are not live on the Test server. They are only "live" in the dat file, unable to be purchased or used. As for "what do we know what our spells do," strangely enough, before Allah's and CastersRealm came about, most of us used our spells to figure out what they did. (Which is why most people couldn't figure out what the heck harmony did for like two months).

Well I dont think this one spell is going to "Bring Balance to the Force", its just the start. Who knows, we dont know whats going on inside that might change the druid/shaman class. There are many things that we cant read the tea leaves off of. The Spell File is just one part. There could be added AA abilities that are not spell based that we cant see (i.e. Casting Fury).

Im thinking that there will be a couple of changes inc on this patch, cheal being one of them. I would be shocked to see just the cheal and nothing else.

You will be shocked i'm sorry to say. I would be shocked if we did get anything else. Hell, i'll be shocked if we even get the 75% heal this patch. Face it, either someone at Verant despises the druid class, or they have no clue what to do with us.