http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13152708/

So this article claims that scientists have decided that it isn't the perpetrators fault, it is a mental disorder and they need treatment.

The nonscientific survey has 75% thinking its "another way to avoid responsibility".

I think if there's a way to treat it, maybe involving therapy of some sort, that indentifying it and talking about it might help get people to recognize it in themselves and get them into treatment for it.

Personally, I think it'd be a good thing if the end result was that people were better able to control their rages. What's the other option? That they somehow learn self-control sometime before they get themselves or others killed?

Seems to me that if there is an effective treatment for the disorder then the real "not taking responsibility for it" is pretending you don't have a problem.

It is a real disorder, marked by an innapropriate level of anger and outburst for a given stimulus. There is treatment for it, generally speaking using serotonin effecting anti-depression drugs, such as the serotonin re-uptake inhibitor Zoloft, and behavioral therapy similar to anger managment.

So this article claims that scientists have decided that it isn't the perpetrators fault, it is a mental disorder and they need treatment.

The scientists are wrong.

They need prison. And treatment.

The notion that being crazy excuses behavior is one of the worst shams pulled over on you mush heads.

I have a disorder that makes me think that always blaming peoples actions on somee disorders is idiotic.

Dont blame me for it!

Who said anything about shifting blame?

This is why so many people never obtain appropriate psychological help for their disorders. The disdain and anger towards anyone who suffers from a disorder acts as a prohibitive factor in seeking treatment.

I guess it has nothing to with the fact that they are crazy.

It is a real disorder, marked by an innapropriate level of anger and outburst for a given stimulus. There is treatment for it, generally speaking using serotonin effecting anti-depression drugs, such as the serotonin re-uptake inhibitor Zoloft, and behavioral therapy similar to anger managment.

True, though where I'm from we call this 'Asshole'.

Road rage has a cure: Get the damn idiots who don't know how to drive off the barking roads!!
I get road rage daily thanx to the rushing idiots who don't use their blinkers, come out of a side street without looking, cross two lanes and almost push me off the road to get to that exit they have been looking at for the last 500 mts., don't stop when there are people trying to stop at the pedestrian crossing, are on their mobiles while driving, without their seatbelts, with children loose in the back seats, etc.X1000 ...

Yes, road rage has a cure. No other drivers ...

Road rage has a cure: Get the damn idiots who don't know how to drive off the barking roads!!
Araxx, get that serotonin reuptake problem looked at!

There is treatment for it, generally speaking using serotonin effecting anti-depression drugs, such as the serotonin re-uptake inhibitor Zoloft, and behavioral therapy similar to anger managment.Sounds like another ploy by the pharmaceutical companies to expand the target market for their overpriced drugs. Why is it that every modern mental "illness" just so happens to require the latest and greatest, preferably non-generic, drug as a cure?

I think we should just develop cars that drive themselves. Having no people driving would probably cut down on the road rage a bit.

Sounds like another ploy by the pharmaceutical companies to expand the target market for their overpriced drugs. Why is it that every modern mental "illness" just so happens to require the latest and greatest, preferably non-generic, drug as a cure?

Except drugs such as zoloft and prozac and their ilk have been out long enough to have spawned generic drugs. The study, from what I understand, shows that seratonin plays some role in this issue.

Except drugs such as zoloft and prozac and their ilk have been out long enough to have spawned generic drugs. The study, from what I understand, shows that seratonin plays some role in this issue.Serotonin regulates mood, so what? Do you blame ATP when you punch someone in the face?

Don't worry, once the drugs go generic and the pharmaceutical companies lose money, they just make a new one. A new "disorder" is the perfect excuse for a new drug that's just a reformulation of a previous one.

From the article

By definition, intermittent explosive disorder involves multiple outbursts that are way out of proportion to the situation. These angry outbursts often include threats or aggressive actions and property damage. The disorder typically first appears in adolescence; in the study, the average age of onset was 14.

Wow! Teenagers have problems dealing with their anger and they should all be on drugs to cure it.

Everyone has problems with anger. We have our own anger management training starting when our parents stop us throwing tantrums. Even if someone has a mild chemical imbalance with a predisposition to anger they just have to deal with it. Everyone else does. It is part of being a flawed human being.

I guess it has nothing to with the fact that they are crazy.


What's that have to do with anything? Crazy is treatable. Its alot more treatable than idiocy...and yet idiots all over the country continue with this mindset that anyone with a psychological disorder is a loon, creating this stigma which in turn inhibits people from seeking treatment.

True, though where I'm from we call this 'Asshole'.

No, assholes are much more common. Just look in the mirror.

Serotonin regulates mood, so what? Do you blame ATP when you punch someone in the face?

Only when punching them in the face is inappropriate reaction.

This is something which effects only a few million people. Its real. Its legitimate and it doesn't meet most legal standards for an 'insanity defense', so what the **** is wrong with you people who insist on getting inappropriately upset upon reading about this disorder?

****ing fruitcakes.

Don't worry, once the drugs go generic and the pharmaceutical companies lose money, they just make a new one. A new "disorder" is the perfect excuse for a new drug that's just a reformulation of a previous one.

You can reformulate zoloft or prozac or welbutrin or whatnot all you like, that doesn't mean the doctor is going to prescribe a new drug when an old drug does the same thing...unless the doctors are part of this scheme as well.

Looks like Aidon can use some serotonin uptake help.

Irony is lost on some folks

I suppose I just see certain disorders as attempting to explain away responsibility for personal actions. I'd write about my own experience with this, but since I'm an asshole, I wouldn't be inclined to share it.

I suppose I just see certain disorders as attempting to explain away responsibility for personal actions. I'd write about my own experience with this, but since I'm an asshole, I wouldn't be inclined to share it.
How do you figure personal responsibility into this? Either way, whether it can be helped with drugs or not, a person is responsible for addressing the problem. It isn't like they're saying it can't be helped.

I don't particularly care if someone is having road rage because of their upbringing, their weak character or because they've got a hormone out-of-whack, I just want them to fix it.

I think what is trying to be said here is who's job is it to fix the road rage?

Panamah has stated she doesn't care who fixes it so long as its fixed. That is a valid desire.

My concern is there will be a class of persons who will now decide it isn't their own responsibility to stop their road rage habits and probably won't even go to a doctor to have it fixed. They will, however, decide that road rage is ok now because its not their fault, they can't help it. Please pity me. That sort of thing. All of us here know those type of people can't be helped.

In the end, very little will change but this does seem to perpetuate the victim mentality I see in the populace every day. That victim mentality is what really bothers me.

I think that actually your beliefs that it is due to a moral shortcoming is the one that will stop people from addressing it. There's terrible shame in admiting to any weakness, especially for men, the ones probably most likely to suffer from it.

They'll be a lot less likely to get help for it because of the people who stigmatize them like you're (not just you, Bap, pretty much everyone posting in this thread) doing here. To take the drug or have the couseling is to admit that they have a problem they can't solve just through "toughing it out".

You need to differentiate between the behavior, which is undesirable and we want people to fix, versus the treatment for the disorder. If

There's a whole community of people who want to manage their depression, for example, without the aid of medication. Therapy yes, medication, no. I guess I don't see why disorders related to anger and rage should be different, but I do understand what you are saying, Panamah.

Everyone wants the magical pill for whatever they've got. I'd just like to see people succeed in fixing the problem. Problem is, therapy is a longer, harder route and really, what is the likelyhood of success versus taking the antidepressant? Whatever works best. I know a lot of the people I've seen who are prone to rages are also the sort of people who are probably most likely impulsive and impatient and feel strongly that therapy is for woosies. But they might, perhaps, maybe be willing to ask their doctor for an antidepressant.

What's that have to do with anything? Crazy is treatable..

It is only treatable if the crazy person wants treatment.

Or a judge orders it.

That leaves a lot of untreated crazy people(merely because they are crazy), that is what it has to do with.

SSRI are for treating depression.

You need other drugs for anger and anxiety issues. Haldol, thorazine, xanax(benzos), ambien, seroquel.

You can reformulate zoloft or prozac or welbutrin or whatnot all you like, that doesn't mean the doctor is going to prescribe a new drug when an old drug does the same thing...unless the doctors are part of this scheme as well.Of course they are. The doctors are in bed with the drug companies, to push the latest and greatest. Mental conditions are a particularly good market for drugs, because the symptoms and effects are in a grey area, and because the illness is usually defined as chronic. You could make 50 drugs that do more or less the same thing, and when each goes generic, push the new one with a nice high price tag. How many different drugs do we have now to treat depression and anxiety?

SSRI are for treating depression.

You need other drugs for anger and anxiety issues. Haldol, thorazine, xanax(benzos), ambien, seroquel.
Refer to the original article:

Coccaro said the disorder involves inadequate production or functioning of serotonin, a mood-regulating and behavior-inhibiting brain chemical. Treatment with antidepressants, including those that target serotonin receptors in the brain, is often helpful, along with behavior therapy akin to anger management, Coccaro said.

I think what is trying to be said here is who's job is it to fix the road rage?

Panamah has stated she doesn't care who fixes it so long as its fixed. That is a valid desire.

My concern is there will be a class of persons who will now decide it isn't their own responsibility to stop their road rage habits and probably won't even go to a doctor to have it fixed. They will, however, decide that road rage is ok now because its not their fault, they can't help it. Please pity me. That sort of thing. All of us here know those type of people can't be helped.

In the end, very little will change but this does seem to perpetuate the victim mentality I see in the populace every day. That victim mentality is what really bothers me.

Road Rage is ancillary to the issue. It was brought up as an example most people could relate to, albeit a poor example, imo. The fact is most folks have engaged in some form of road rage, be it flipping someone off or screaming at the top of your lungs because you're surrounded by idiots.

This is not what the disorder relates to.

It relates to the kid who punches out mirrors and rages because his father told him he had to be home at midnight...but his actions were somewhat atypical.

It relates to the man who snaps and slaps h is wife around because she made a snide comment, which didn't warrant violence.

Noone has suggested its an excuse to get away with anything, but you ****tards decided to start up with that bull****, anyways. Noone has suggested a person musn't find a way to deal with their anger, but knowledge that this is an actual disorder..which can be helped with medication and therapy makes it that much easier for people to deal with their beyond the pale fits of anger...so long as they aren't so embarrassed by people like yourselves that they are willing to go get treatment.

I think that actually your beliefs that it is due to a moral shortcoming is the one that will stop people from addressing it. There's terrible shame in admiting to any weakness, especially for men, the ones probably most likely to suffer from it.

They'll be a lot less likely to get help for it because of the people who stigmatize them like you're (not just you, Bap, pretty much everyone posting in this thread) doing here. To take the drug or have the couseling is to admit that they have a problem they can't solve just through "toughing it out".

You need to differentiate between the behavior, which is undesirable and we want people to fix, versus the treatment for the disorder. If
Well put, Pan.

It is only treatable if the crazy person wants treatment.

Or a judge orders it.

That leaves a lot of untreated crazy people(merely because they are crazy), that is what it has to do with.

They can't get treatment for a disorder if noone knows the disorder exists. So studies were done...someone classified a new disorder, with potential treatments, and you people instantly start scorning it and dismissing it.

What the hell do you want?

SSRI are for treating depression.

You need other drugs for anger and anxiety issues. Haldol, thorazine, xanax(benzos), ambien, seroquel.

Anger != anxiety.

Indeed, in many males anger issues are much more related to depression issues. Since its unacceptable for men in our society to act like little bitches and cry because they are depressed...they get pissed off instead.

Fine, so there is a disorder. I still think it will give some people an out on getting treatment for it or otherwise fixing it. They'll just say it wasn't their fault. If blaming me, and others like me, for their non desire to seek treatment helps, so be it. If the behavior can be stopped with treatment, great. If they can do it on their own, great.

This does bring up another line of thought. What do we define as normal? (I'm not advocating that "intermittant explosive disorder" is normal.) Who gets to define it? What lengths will we go to to make everyone this picture of normal? Do we really want that?

What are the underlying reasons this disorder exists? Did it serve some purpose in the evolution of mankind that no longer exists? Is it caused by something else?

I have an idea that the majority of people are bored or just plain disenchanted with their lives. They grow up being told how to behave. What they should do with their lives. How to dress, what to eat. For others there is nothing to strive for anymore, no new frontiers. Perhaps a set of these explosive disorder people are people who are disenchanted with the life they have and are always on the brink of exploding. Redirecting an underlying frustration into anger at something that is totally unrelated.

Well, enough of my babbling.

This does bring up another line of thought. What do we define as normal? (I'm not advocating that "intermittant explosive disorder" is normal.) Who gets to define it? What lengths will we go to to make everyone this picture of normal? Do we really want that?
Well, lets imagine this is 10,000 years ago. Probably it wouldn't really have been considered a disorder. It'd probably be the guy put in charge since everyone else was afraid of them. Probably like ADHD wasn't a disorder until the requirement for an unwavering attention span was needed to get through school. Maybe the ADHD person was the superior hunter because they noticed things more.

But when you've got heavy objects hurtling close together at very high speeds, either of those tendencies becomes a huge liability to everyone else.

So I think our environment takes what is just a normal variation in human behavior and makes it behavior that is one that just doesn't work any longer.