View Full Forums : Spanish firm to build $7 billion project, charge Americans tolls for 50 years


Swiftfox
09-02-2006, 12:07 PM
From what I hear the toll will be roughly 15 cents a mile. The property being taken is being given to the Spanish firm (Private intrest) who will collect the tolls for themselves (not for Deparment of Highways). Toll roads are not new, it's private intrests collecting off them that is. On top of that you wil be required to have a transponder in your car that readers will be able to calculate your average speed and send you a ticket if you were speeding, as well as help collect their tolls.

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry has led a pep rally for a $7 billion highway project that will loop around the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area, but is being opposed by landowners who will see their private property taken by the state.

A report on KWTX said the tollway to be built by the Spanish-based Cinta-Zachry consortium is part of an "ambitious" $184 billion plan for a network of superhighway transportation corridors around the state.

Those, in turn, are expected to be part of the nationwide network of NATFA superhighways that are planned to run from Mexico to Canada, dividing the United States into economic and social districts.

The rally in DeSoto featured handshakes among local government officials who say they have sought the project for some time, over the opposition of property owners whose land would be taken for the massive project.

Staff members for the state Department of Transportation are working to compile and evaluate the comments that were submitted at the dozens of public hearings on the project where residents could ask questions and register opinions, the report said.

A decision from the Federal Highway Administration on environmental concerns is expected in 2007.

This portion of the superhighways complex is expected to run east of Interstate 35, promoters said in the report.

The Cintra-Zachry consortium already has been given a contract by the state for the first portion of what is expected to be a 4,000-mile network of quarter-mile-wide transportation corridors across Texas, the report said.

Up to six separate passenger vehicle lanes, with another four for trucks, two high speed passenger rail tracks, two more for freight trains and a variety of other features are planned.

Cintra partnered with the San Antonio-based Zachry Construction to make plans for the work, the report said.

Cintra plans to spend $6 billion on the first portion of the corridor and plans to pay the state $1.2 billion and then will have the right to run the road and charge tolls for 50 years, plans show.

Source (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51767)

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-02-2006, 01:40 PM
That source is World Net Daily.

That is a christian coalition moral majority type backed and run rag site.


Why don't you post from the World Weekly News instead?, it is more reliable.

In other words, find another source. Don't waste my time sending me to that f'ing trash.

vestix
09-02-2006, 06:00 PM
Private tollways are not new.

As for speed monitoring, a number of rental car companies already do this. (They can't/don't issue tickets, they just charge your credit card $$$)

Thicket Tundrabog
09-02-2006, 07:58 PM
I was thinking about posting something reasonable about private toll highways, but the original article looks like trash fiction.

Swiftfox
09-03-2006, 12:49 AM
Source's source (http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/3779792.html) whose link was embedded in their page.

Perry Leads Trans Texas Corridor Pep Rally

(August 30, 2006)—Gov. Rick Perry led a bipartisan pep rally Wednesday in DeSoto for the $7 billion Trans Texas Corridor toll road project.

The toll-way is part of an ambitious $184 billion plan to build a network of superhighways, rail corridors and utility paths across the state.

Perry announced that the private sector has offered to build the southern sector of Loop 9 as a toll road.

The proposed loop around the Dallas metro area has been under study for decades and could eventually tie in with the corridor project.

Cintra-Zachry has notified the Texas Department of Transportation that the company is willing to pay for loop's construction.

The news prompted handshakes between local governmental officials who said they have been pushing the project for years.

Opposition comes from those who see it as an attack on private property rights, because many landowners will lose property to the state.

Others object to the state accepting a proposal by a US-Spanish consortium to build and operate it.

The Texas Department of Transportation scheduled 50 hearings on the project last month around the state to give residents a chance to ask questions and register opinions about the Interstate 35 leg of the massive transportation project.

Opponents turned out in substantial numbers at many of the hearings in Central Texas.

TXDOT staff members are now evaluation comments and will submit a final environmental impact statement to the Federal Highway Administration, which is expected to make a decision on the project by the summer of 2007 on whether to allow additional environmental studies within a ten-mile-wide study area, based on which the final route of the corridor would be determined.

The 10-mile-wide study area for the Central Texas leg of the project runs generally along and slightly east of Interstate 35, state transportation officials announced in April as they released a 4,000-page draft environmental impact study that identifies the study area.

The report narrows the study area from Gainesville to Laredo, close to Interstate 35 and metropolitan areas north of San Antonio, but centered on Interstate 35 from south of San Antonio to Laredo.

The Texas Department of Transportation signed a contract in April 2005 with the Cintra-Zachry consortium for planning on the project, the most ambitious highway construction effort since the Eisenhower administration launched the effort to build an interstate highway system.

The plan ultimately calls for a 4,000-mile network of transportation corridors that would crisscross the state with separate highway lanes for passenger vehicles and trucks, passenger rail, freight rain, commuter rail and dedicated utility zones.

Designers envision a corridor with six separate passenger vehicle lanes and four commercial truck lanes; two high speed passenger rail lines, two freight rain lines and two commuter rail lines and a utility zone that will accommodate water, electric, natural gas, petroleum, fiber optic and telecommunications lines.

Cintra, which is an international engineering and construction firm, and the San Antonio-based Zachry Construction Corporation, have agreed to provide $7.2 billion for construction of the first six segments of the project, the governor’s office said.

Cintra will spend $6 billion to build a four-lane toll road on the corridor and will pay the state $1.2 billion in return for the exclusive rights to operate the toll road for 50 years.


That source is World Net Daily.

That is a christian coalition moral majority type backed and run rag site.


Why don't you post from the World Weekly News instead?, it is more reliable.

In other words, find another source. Don't waste my time sending me to that f'ing trash.
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/finger, Please pull your head out of your arse. If you don't want to look then don't. Alternative press is the fastest growing news media out there.

MadroneDorf
09-03-2006, 02:06 AM
Since when did anything about the amount a media program grows has anything to do with its quality and non bias?

Swiftfox
09-03-2006, 10:22 AM
I just showed there was nothing wrong with the source's info on this subject, what more do you want?

7 billion - Check
Cintra-Zachry, Spanish - Check
Landowners will lose property to the state - Check
4,000-mile network of transportation corridors - Check
Cintra will spend $6 billion to build a four-lane toll road on the corridor and will pay the state $1.2 billion in return for the exclusive rights to operate the toll road for 50 years. - Check

The main points I was looking at in the story are all correct. Main stream media is just as bias, and just as poor quality, who are you trying to kid?
Fake news (http://www.prwatch.org/fakenews/execsummary)anyone?

Private tollways are not new.

As for speed monitoring, a number of rental car companies already do this. (They can't/don't issue tickets, they just charge your credit card $$$)

I'm 100% against a foriegn-private intrest owning all the main transportation routes. The rental car companies getting away with charging you for speeding just proves its possible to track vehicles and their speed. How do you argue against that when its their property and you likely sign an agreement to accept any fines/fee's if you do something wrong.

Minadin
09-03-2006, 11:35 AM
Who gives a ****?

It's not a main transportation route. It's a bypass/shortcut. Rental car companies can tell you were driving excessively fast if you arrive at your destination faster than ought to be possible. Distance / time = speed.

Swiftfox
09-03-2006, 01:24 PM
It IS for main transpotation routes. They will be given existing roads aswell.

I'm quite certain they don't use your math equation for this.


Rental car tracking

State: Rental car tracking by GPS unlawful

Rental car tracking controversy

Firms keep eye on rented cars from the sky
Car-tracking rental agency refuses to halt practice
GPS system used to fine driver for speeding
Automobile 'black boxes' ready to roll


HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A car rental company that used satellites to track customers and fine speeders $150 was ordered Wednesday to stop the practice and refund an estimated $13,000 or more.

"This just wasn't fair," state consumer protection Commissioner James T. Fleming said. "It is not a car rental company's job to enforce the speed limit in any state."

Acme Rent-a-Car of New Haven claimed the fines discouraged speeding and covered the excessive wear on cars driven at high speeds.

Fleming said the $150 charge far exceeded the average 37 cents in auto damage caused by speeding, making it an illegal penalty, not repayment for incurred damage. He also said Acme did not adequately inform customers in advance.

"Most consumers had no idea what they were signing up for," Fleming said.

Acme attorney Max Brunswick did not immediately return a call seeking comment Wednesday.

Acme's policy was to fine renters $150 each time a car exceeded 79 mph for more than two minutes. The company has said it told renters about the policy and required them to initial the contract to indicate they understood it.

The state said it found 26 customers who were forced to pay speeding penalties. One Acme customer, James Turner, complained that the company withdrew $450 from his checking account while he was on a trip to Virginia in a rented minivan. The company said Turner was speeding on three occasions.

The consumer protection agency filed a complaint last July accusing Acme, which has a single outlet, of violating the state's Unfair Trade Practices Act.

Fleming asked state lawmakers on Tuesday to make such fines illegal.

Who gives a ****?

YOU should! It's apathy to what is going on in your country that is killing YOUR free republic. If YOU don't stand up for YOUR freedom and rights who will? I post all this "crap" because I care about my fellow man. I Don't like that there is a prison forming around us.

Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?... How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. -V, Vendetta

Swiftfox
09-03-2006, 01:37 PM
NAFTA Superhighway (http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/printer_4088.shtml)

How would all of this affect you, your family, and your community? Let us count the ways. One of the most striking features of the proposed Super Highway is the plan to do away with our borders, as evidenced by the joint U.S.-Mexico Customs facility already under construction in Kansas City, Missouri. A U.S. Customs checkpoint in Kansas City? But that's a thousand miles inside America's heartland; isn't the purpose of U.S. Customs to check people and cargo at our borders?

First of all, in the pocketbook - with increased taxes and tolls. With an aggregate price tag of hundreds of billions of dollars - for projects in the U.S. and Mexico - enormous increases in federal, state, and local taxes are a certainty. To assist in financing the mammoth Super Highway, plans call for converting many current roads, which taxpayers have already paid for, to tollways for all motor vehicles.

Additionally, SAFETEA-LU allows U.S. states to use tolling on a pilot basis to finance Interstate construction and reconstruction, and to establish tolls for existing Interstate highways to fund the new Super Highway corridors. Austin, Texas, is already experiencing fierce struggles over converting its already-paid-for Interstate and state highways to toll roads, but few Texans understand that this new tolling is to be the mechanism for funding the leviathan Trans Texas Corridor. Since Austin has been identified as the pilot city in the nation for testing the new toll policies, you can assume that what passes here is coming your way.

Tudamorf
09-03-2006, 02:49 PM
I don't see a problem, as long as the economics make sense for the taxpayer, and it's regulated to prevent abuse. A private company would probably manage it more efficiently than the government anyway.

Aidon
09-03-2006, 05:17 PM
My only real complaint is that the private company is foreign.

Why the hell would we not give the money to an american company for this?