http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34<b>Abstinence message goes beyond teens</b>

The federal government's "no sex without marriage" message isn't just for kids anymore.

Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007.

Abstinence education programs, which have focused on preteens and teens, teach that abstaining from sex is the only effective or acceptable method to prevent pregnancy or disease. They give no instruction on birth control or safe sex.

The National Center for Health Statistics says well over 90% of adults ages 20-29 have had sexual intercourse.

But Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the revision is aimed at 19- to 29-year-olds because more unmarried women in that age group are having children.

"The message is 'It's better to wait until you're married to bear or father children,' " Horn said. "The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence."

"We wanted to remind states they could use these funds not only to target adolescents," Horn said. "It's a reminder."

Last year, 46 states applied for the federal abstinence-education money, to fund programs in schools, neighborhood clubs and faith-based organizations.

For last year's state grants, Congress appropriated $50 million.So let's see. Our government is wasting $50 million a year of our money to allow states to "remind" unmarried people under age 30 not to have sex. They're not telling them anything about birth control or how to prevent STDs. Of course, married people can have all the sex they want <font size=0>(because "god" approves)</font>.

And the Christian zealots wonder why we normal people complain about them, and the ways they keep intruding on our lives. This country is slowly becoming a theocracy.

It costs money to have sex.

It costs nothing to NOT have sex.



They should be using that money to pay for sterilization procedures.

It costs nothing to NOT have sex.Unless you have perfect dating success, it can cost quite a bit not to have sex.They should be using that money to pay for sterilization procedures.I think it's a great idea. But we must first disabuse the general public of the romantic notion that uncontrolled breeding is a positive thing.

Unless you have perfect dating success, it can cost quite a bit not to have sex.I think it's a great idea.
I dated a doctor for over a year on very little funds. Doing the wrong things and spending a lot of money is no substitute for knowing the right things and spending very little money. It can be done, I know. But hardly a common occurance.

But we must first disabuse the general public of the romantic notion that uncontrolled breeding is a positive thing.
That is mostly religion, in my opinion. Take a highly decadent and female centric society, and birthrates will drop dramatically.

It is patriarchal(or post matriarchal) notions which bring about uncontrolled breeding, like you see.

Unless you have perfect dating success, it can cost quite a bit not to have sex.I think it's a great idea. But we must first disabuse the general public of the romantic notion that uncontrolled breeding is a positive thing.

I trust you two will both be the first volunteers for sterilization?

That is mostly religion, in my opinion. Take a highly decadent and female centric society, and birthrates will drop dramatically.

It is patriarchal(or post matriarchal) notions which bring about uncontrolled breeding, like you see.

Fy'yr, what crazy ass history books do you read?

Our birthrate, is waaaay below any matriachal society...in fact Western Society, as a whole, has the lowest birthrates of healthy populations ever. We're averaging 14 and change births per 1000 people. We average less than one child per family in the US and of those families that do have children, they only average 1.86 children. We are literally breeding our society out of existance with our low birthrates. Its the reason Europe will be a Muslim nation within fifty years and why the US will have Spanish as its official language within a hundred (providing we aren't speaking Arabic instead).

Fy'yr, what crazy ass history books do you read?
I think they're sex fantasies.

I trust you two will both be the first volunteers for sterilization?I'm responsible and know how to use birth control.

any other Americans apparently aren't. The Government should be teaching those people about birth control and preventing STDs, and should be offering free sterilization to anyone who wants it, not teaching this abstinence-only religious zealot crap.We are literally breeding our society out of existance with our low birthrates. Its the reason Europe will be a Muslim nation within fifty years and why the US will have Spanish as its official language within a hundred (providing we aren't speaking Arabic instead).We have many immigrants to make up the difference. Controlled immigration is far better than local breeding, because you can cherry pick the best breeding stock and it to your own, while simultaneously denying other powers that same prime breeding stock. Our immigration system is a little <i>out</i> of control, but we can fix it.

What?! Are we doing genetic testing and eugenics on immigrants now before admitting them to the US? Man, that's a long leap from uncontrolled, totally open immigration we had just a couple of weeks ago. :p

Our birthrate, is waaaay below any matriachal society.

What makes you think that our society is not matriarchal?


Women have the monopoly and lock on the one thing that most men want. And those men go through terrible pains and endeavors to gain access to it.

There is not one heterosexual guy on the planet who needs a minivan with 13 cupholders. Have you seen how many of those there are?

What?! Are we doing genetic testing and eugenics on immigrants now before admitting them to the US? Man, that's a long leap from uncontrolled, totally open immigration we had just a couple of weeks ago. :pAs I said, it's a little out of control right now, on account of <i>illegal</i> immigration across the border.

But we get many legal immigrants from other countries who are premium individuals on account of education, special ability, or prestige (the "Brain Drain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_drain)"). That sort of immigration we should greatly encourage.

Immigration is one reason we're not struggling to maintain our working population, unlike Japan and to a lesser extent Western Europe, where xenophobic tendencies limit immigration.