Is there an accepted percentage of mob health for using the 1.5 clicky? I know some druids announce it in /rsay, e.g. "Druid clicky used; cast nukes now!" but I wondered if there was a specific time to use it?

i usually pop mine on boss mobs. guild usually says burn now, i click it for extra damage. helps on fast killing of named

We normally setup a Druid Epic chain and start it once assist is called.

I usually forget to use it :).

When I do, I just pop it whenever and try to nuke. Frankly, I think it is rather lame but others seem happy with it.

I've also noticed no difference in the strength of my nukes when using it. Oh, I also happen to have the 2.0, so you would think it was even better.

If I worked at Sony I would have chosen a different effect. Or if you want to keep that kind of effect, I would instead have it cause all your nukes to crit during the duration.

I am aware that supposedly the effect allows everyone who nukes the mob to get a bonus, which just having the caster crit wouldn't match. But again, I've not noticed it currently having any difference in the damage I do.

Perhaps one of you experts who have parsed it or something could show me I'm wrong and that it actually has an worthwhile effect.

Alaene and I use ours early on, so that we can reclick if they happen to recycle during the fight. We both use 2.0s

I have one wizard in my guild that cheers every time I use my 1.5. He sees a definite jump in DPS with his nukes. Of course, with the cast times on our nukes, I get 1 maybe 2 nukes in with my own clicky.

If we're facing a tough named fight on a raid, I'll click it and then announce it in our channel: "blighted!"

If there are other competent druids on the raid with me, they'll sometimes pick up on it and use theirs as well, and one of them has started doing it on his own without prompting. What a good boy!
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I'll post a standard "wah wah, diminishing returns" comment just so that it's recorded for posterity.

For the record, I have told my casting buddies to use lower level spells where possible while my epic is in effect... eg wizzy instanukes - use magic if possible, because the potential hit will be bigger, or use Ether Flame rather than Conflagration - bigger potential hit.

Thanks, guys. That's the kind of input I was looking for.

Alaene and Fenier, are you telling your raid to use level 70 nukes or just biggest fast casting/fast recycle nuke in the 60-70 range to get the biggest bang for your buck?

I understand that above 70 we are getting -10% of the bonus per level, so a level 75 nuke is only getting +15% damage bonus from our epic.

With my current +35% focus, and assuming that epic stacks, I should have a 65% bonus using Nature's Blight and a 70 or lower spell, or about 32% bonus using a 75 spell, (taking into account a 6.5% loss per level to 75). If I have that right, it puts Glitterfrost doing EXACTLY the same amount of damage (3121) as Rime Crystals for 70 mana less. Does this seem right to you?

I'd have a better grasp of all this if I knew how Nature's Blight stacks with our regular focuses.

Alaene and Fenier, are you telling your raid to use level 70 nukes or just biggest fast casting/fast recycle nuke in the 60-70 range to get the biggest bang for your buck?

No, I let them use whatever they want.

With my current +35% focus, and assuming that epic stacks, I should have a 65% bonus using Nature's Blight and a 70 or lower spell, or about 32% bonus using a 75 spell, (taking into account a 6.5% loss per level to 75). If I have that right, it puts Glitterfrost doing EXACTLY the same amount of damage (3121) as Rime Crystals for 70 mana less. Does this seem right to you?

I don't know which focus you have, but lets assume its 35% to 75 so doesn't degrade. You would get upto 65% bonus on a level 70 or under spell, with an average increase of 32.5%.

On a Level 75 Nuke, this would be 50% (35% + 15%) with an average increase of 25%.

Playing make believe, this puts Glitterfrost at 2506.9 Damage when using the average, but with a max hit of 3121.8

Rime Crystals (rk 1) would be 2956.25 when you take the average increase of 25%, but has the max damage of 3547.5

Rime Crystals deals about 12% more damage then Glitterfrost when combined with a 35% till 75 focus and The Epic 1.5

Of course, if your ice focus degrades over 70, that could even things out, or make Glitterfrost do more damage.

As far as stacking:

Item Focus, Spell Focus (Wizard Fimilars), Song Focus (Fire of Dawn, Bard Songs), Debuff Focus (Icefall breath, Skin to Vines, Epic Clicks) All stack

Alaene and Fenier, are you telling your raid to use level 70 nukes or just biggest fast casting/fast recycle nuke in the 60-70 range to get the biggest bang for your buck?

No, I let them use whatever they want.

To be more clear, there are certainly no restrictions imposed... we just tell people when the epic is on and let them go to town.

I have just told my nuking friends that they get more bang for their buck out of lvl 70 (or close) spells...

I leave the focus & spell haste (etc) considerations to the actual nuker.

Thanks Fenier, appreciate the info. I have the Eye of Chailak which degrades above 70, so I would be looking at a calculated maximum hit equal between Glitterfrost and Rime Crystals, but it might make a difference looking at the average hit. I forgot that the damage bonus is not fixed, ie, that I don't always see max damage for my focus effects. This is probably why some folks may not see any significant change in their damage output.

If I was going to Nuke during the 30 seconds Blight is on, I would probably throw a rain (if safe to do so), then a single target nuke, then a rain and a single target nuke again to maximize damage in the allotted time. I just don't know whether it's best to throw spells above 70 or not, but I'll figure that out.

I am close to my epic 1.5 and want to put it to good use when I get it. Soon, my precious, soon.

The eye is a Fire Focus, and would not effect either Glitterfrost or Rime Crystals.

The Epic clicks do not effect rains.

If you can tell me which ice focus you have, I can do the math for you.

Bah, I am such a Noob.

I knew that the Eye was a Fire focus and I have no cold based focus. I was at work playing the EQ the board game and man, those ice spells looked so much more efficient. :)

But I was just trying to get the gist of how it all works, not pull data for specifc spells. I get the idea now, and it's good to know that the epic doesn't affect rains. Thanks!

On critical DPS fights, like Valik the Cruel, our druids cycle epic clicks to keep the effect on as long as possible. As for every other fight, generally I don't care about the epic clcik, druids click it whenever during the fight and normally during the "burn" phase.

The most I do is request that our druids call the epic click before clicking, so they don't waste each other's click.


As for epic effect on spells, my experience is much like Fanra's. I've not seen a decent or noticable boost from using any nuke past OoW..... unless it crits. Spell crits I've seen arcing in the 8k+ range with degraded foci and Exuinox Rk. II. With a bard I've seen nearly 10k from an only slightly degraded (DPoB) foci, bard, and wiz epic click.. complete multi class FR debuffs applied aswell.