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B_Delacroix
06-07-2007, 09:51 AM
So, Hilton is out after 3 days of her sentencing beginning.

palamin
06-07-2007, 10:50 AM
Well, look at it this way....... if, you ever do something stupid, but, relatively minor, and nonviolent, get sent to prison, you could always just use the Paris Hilton defense........

This is freaking stupid though..... she leaves prison for the MtV movie awards to run around the red carpet..... then cites, health problems, you gotta be kidding me. It was just 23 days that they dropped from 40 days. She only made it 3 lousy days. I mean what the hell. If, I ever do something stupid like this...... I would actually be in prison serving my freaking time out.... no ifs ands or buts. They really need to just lock her up with the regular population where she has to salad toss daily, maybe some uber dike lesbian like beats her ass or something..... A prison you can leave after 3 days..... what a joke. The whole case is a joke really.

LauranCoromell
06-07-2007, 11:07 AM
Well, if memory serves, she made it longer than Michelle Rodriquez did. I just hope that not getting out of going to jail at all was at least a bit of a wake up call for her.

Swiftfox
06-07-2007, 12:33 PM
From what I heard on the radio she lasted 5 days. Now she will be wearing one of those ankle bracelets, Under house arrest.

LauranCoromell
06-07-2007, 12:42 PM
I think it was actually 3 with credit for 5, jailhouse math :).

Sippin
06-07-2007, 12:49 PM
From what I read she served the average time for any person who committed her offense. While I don't think her notoriety should get her favorable treament nor should it get her harsher treatment.

Anka
06-07-2007, 02:18 PM
Any bets a doctor diagnosed her with depression and that was deemed serious enough for her to get home detention?

It must be some rare medical condition to be diagnosed so quickly during her term, given that it wasn't present at sentencing, and yet couldn't be treated in hospital and is a health risk to her in jail.

Tudamorf
06-07-2007, 02:51 PM
Since she probably shouldn't have been there in the first place (40 days for some lame traffic offense?), everything turned out for the best.

Panamah
06-07-2007, 03:14 PM
She violated parole, not sure what the original offense was, drunk driving?

palamin
06-07-2007, 03:20 PM
Quote"(40 days for some lame traffic offense?"

She had been busted for a Dui, but, they dropped the charge down to reckless driving, then, put her on probation and suspended her license. She was later picked up for driving on a suspended license and let go after signing a letter stating you are not supposed to be driving on a suspended license and let her go. Then, she gets busted for driving on a suspended license again.... enter her jail time, from the previous charge of reckless driving, violating probation, driving on a suspended license. It is easy to see how it added up to 40 days of jail time. 23 days in jail if she behaved.

The reports going out is she developed a rash(oh no), that could be easily treated in prison. Afterall, all other inmates get treated for rashes. Also, a few other rumors were she wasn't liking prison food very much, hotdogs, gelatin, things like that.

So, now she gets the luxury of her own mansion. It is like nothing was really done to her. Can you imagine the ego now. Prison is supposed to be a humbling exprience where you are deprived of your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, you know to straighten you back up. No no Paris, it is ok for you to drive while intoxicated, you are America's little sweetheart, you get everything you want. We are sorry for putting you in the corner..... for 3 minutes, we won't do it again, how about you watch some T.V. and we will cook you up a nice meal, your favorite and get your favorite wine, ok, pumpkin.

Panamah
06-07-2007, 03:32 PM
Yeah, it makes me puke, Palamin.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
06-07-2007, 03:33 PM
http://files.redvsblue.com/web/images/comic/20070605RT0126.jpg

Sippin
06-07-2007, 03:58 PM
It is like nothing was really done to her. Can you imagine the ego now. Prison is supposed to be a humbling exprience where you are deprived of your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, you know to straighten you back up.


She spent FIVE days in prison. You really don't think that experience got her attention? I know it sure would get MINE.


The reports going out is she developed a rash(oh no), that could be easily treated in prison. Afterall, all other inmates get treated for rashes.


The worse problem with American prisons is that beyond simple incarceration ("denial of liberty") you run the very real risk of having your health permanently damaged. A person I know acquired Hepatitis-B, potentially an incurable terminal illness, from what his doctor determined came from spending a weekend in a jail where the infection was rampant. And this was for DUI. Driving while drunk is a serious offense which should be seriously punished but I'm not sure it warrants delayed capital punishment.

I'm no apologist for an airhead like Paris Hilton but if you think the average prison is a good place to treat any ailment, you might want to do a little more research into the subject and open your eyes to the harsh reality of the penal system in the U.S.

palamin
06-07-2007, 04:33 PM
quote"She spent FIVE days in prison. You really don't think that experience got her attention? I know it sure would get MINE"

It probably got her attention..... but at that point she had done that to herself. She violated her Probation for an alcohol related reckless driving charge after they let her just behave for a couple years. Apparently, rather than hire a chaffeur to just drive her around....... Like I said she did that to herself.

quote"The worse problem with American prisons is that beyond simple incarceration ("denial of liberty") you run the very real risk of having your health permanently damaged"

she was in little danger from the general population as she was segregated from other inmates, she had her own room.... and I do mean her own room. She probably got that rash from pretty much doing nothing but lounging around in the same spot. Kinda like bed sores, and how they develope.

Sorry about your friend though, that is a rough disease, Hep B is very curable though, now Hep C......... that is the one that really kills ya.

quote"if you think the average prison is a good place to treat any ailment, you might want to do a little more research into the subject and open your eyes to the harsh reality of the penal system in the U.S."

I was in the Army. I had many ailments, small and large during field problems, as well as my compatriots. While not prison, they are often very similar to ailments that you get in prison(plus a few you don't get in prison, I swear this one time I thought I had West Nile Virus, or malaria, but turned out was just something I ate or some reaction from a bug bite, that gave me explosive diarrhea for 2 weeks after the field problem was over as well as a nice fever). But, I signed the dotted line, I knew what I was getting into, and so did Paris, when she chose to violate her probation, she signed her own dotted line.

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Tudamorf
06-07-2007, 06:01 PM
Prison is supposed to be a humbling exprience where you are deprived of your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, you know to straighten you back up.House arrest is a far more appropriate punishment for this type of crime. After all, if she is in her house, she isn't out driving when she's not supposed to be. And it is likely she will "learn her lesson" that way, without pissing away taxpayer dollars with jail time.

Incarceration should be a last resort, for those people whom society cannot be protected against in any other way.

Tudamorf
06-07-2007, 06:20 PM
if you think the average prison is a good place to treat any ailment, you might want to do a little more research into the subject and open your eyes to the harsh reality of the penal system in the U.S.Yes, jails and prisons are breeding grounds for diseases, not to mention more criminality. Yet another reason to limit their use only to those cases where it's absolutely necessary.

Panamah
06-07-2007, 06:28 PM
If everyone were treated that way, I'd agree with you, Tuda. But everyone isnn't.

Tudamorf
06-07-2007, 06:52 PM
If everyone were treated that way, I'd agree with you, Tuda. But everyone isnn't.The concept of house arrest wasn't invented for her.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
06-07-2007, 06:56 PM
Yes, jails and prisons are breeding grounds for diseases, not to mention more criminality.

I suppose her jailers did not want her spreading any of hers to the other inmates.

LauranCoromell
06-07-2007, 09:27 PM
Round 2

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070608/ap_en_ce/paris_hilton

Tudamorf
06-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Round 2"She would have gotten out early if she was plain Jane," said Leonard Levine, who has handled numerous probation violation cases. He noted that overcrowding in the Los Angeles County jail system has led to thousands of nonviolent offenders serving only 10 percent of their sentences. "She did as much time as a normal person would have done."So what's all the fuss? Stop wasting my tax dollars already, idiot judges.

cladari
06-08-2007, 01:19 AM
So, if I get a DUI, without the money to get it reduced, get a suspended license and mandatory abuse classes, never show up for a single class and got caught driving TWICE, arrive late for court, I'd only get 45 days ?

I sincerely doubt it.

If I did get only 45 days would I be allowed a DAILY 90 minute visit from my shrink?

I doubt it.

There are two sets of laws.

Cladari

Anka
06-08-2007, 07:02 AM
Incarceration should be a last resort, for those people whom society cannot be protected against in any other way.

Incarceration is also a deterrent. The way this case was handled isn't going to deter any celebrity rich kid brat from drunk driving.

Aidon
06-08-2007, 12:28 PM
Well, look at it this way....... if, you ever do something stupid, but, relatively minor, and nonviolent, get sent to prison, you could always just use the Paris Hilton defense........

This is freaking stupid though..... she leaves prison for the MtV movie awards to run around the red carpet..... then cites, health problems, you gotta be kidding me. It was just 23 days that they dropped from 40 days. She only made it 3 lousy days. I mean what the hell. If, I ever do something stupid like this...... I would actually be in prison serving my freaking time out.... no ifs ands or buts. They really need to just lock her up with the regular population where she has to salad toss daily, maybe some uber dike lesbian like beats her ass or something..... A prison you can leave after 3 days..... what a joke. The whole case is a joke really.

I really can't believe the level of uninformed moronicism surrounding this.

You ****ing retards can't even be bothered to know even half the facts, which are known, before rendering judgement, let alone contemplating the potential import of the **** which isn't publically known.

1) She didn't leave prison to go to the MTV awards, you ****ing idiots. She wasn't supposed to report to prison until a few days later. She actually showed up early for prison, after she was done with the MTV awards.

2)It never should have been 40 days in prison to begin with..that sentence is disproportionate for the crime of driving on a suspended license, even as a probation violation. The judge who sentenced her was doing so because now, when he's up for re-election, he can say "I was tough on Paris Hilton!". she got hosed because of her fame.

3) Damn straight she shouldn't have to sit in general population. She's at increased risk, people will seek to **** with her more than a normal inmate for the same reason you intellectual midgits want to see her "salad tossed", because she's rich and famous. She committed a ****ing misdemeanor, she shouldn't have to worry about dailing beatings or lesbian rape because she drove on a suspended license. That's called cruel and unusual punishment.

4) None of us know why she was released early...we do know that she doesn't get to make that decision, so I'm reasonably certain that whoever made the decision had some reason for doing so. Until we know more about the reasons behind...stop ****ing rendering judgement based on having no ****ing knowlege. It makes you all look like damn idiots.

Aidon
06-08-2007, 12:31 PM
Quote"(40 days for some lame traffic offense?"

She had been busted for a Dui, but, they dropped the charge down to reckless driving, then, put her on probation and suspended her license. She was later picked up for driving on a suspended license and let go after signing a letter stating you are not supposed to be driving on a suspended license and let her go. Then, she gets busted for driving on a suspended license again.... enter her jail time, from the previous charge of reckless driving, violating probation, driving on a suspended license. It is easy to see how it added up to 40 days of jail time. 23 days in jail if she behaved.

The reports going out is she developed a rash(oh no), that could be easily treated in prison. Afterall, all other inmates get treated for rashes. Also, a few other rumors were she wasn't liking prison food very much, hotdogs, gelatin, things like that.

So, now she gets the luxury of her own mansion. It is like nothing was really done to her. Can you imagine the ego now. Prison is supposed to be a humbling exprience where you are deprived of your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, you know to straighten you back up. No no Paris, it is ok for you to drive while intoxicated, you are America's little sweetheart, you get everything you want. We are sorry for putting you in the corner..... for 3 minutes, we won't do it again, how about you watch some T.V. and we will cook you up a nice meal, your favorite and get your favorite wine, ok, pumpkin.


I can't think of a person who's ever had to serve 40 days in prison for reckless op, or a first offense DUI.

you're a ****ing jackal.

Anka
06-08-2007, 01:07 PM
I can't think of a person who's ever had to serve 40 days in prison for reckless op, or a first offense DUI.

She got the suspended sentence. She then got the warning. She was then caught again. How many times should she be given a warning when she's ignoring the law?

Once the sentence has been given it should be appealed or should stand. It's not for the jailers to give her time off because the sentence looks harsh. A lot of people are wondering just what mystery ailment 3 days into her prison term was not recognised at time of sentencing and can't be treated in hospital and yet needs her transfer out of prison. We don't know the full details but it is all very dubious. The courts obviously feel the same way. The judge specifically said that she should serve the time in prison and presumably had knowledge of any medical problems presented by the defence at that time.

Sippin
06-08-2007, 01:30 PM
I can give you a "mystery ailment" which might not be detected at sentencing but might be hard to treat in prison...

Evidently she wasn't eating or sleeping and was despondent, which seems plausible given the circumstances. I'm sure the sheriff was worried about potential suicide and given the number of people who commit suicide in prison, even under protective watch, the risk could be real and he was probably worried about how he'd look if this celebrity off'd herself while under his watch.

Panamah
06-08-2007, 02:06 PM
It sounds like the police chief is in trouble for letting her go. There's been a HUGE outcry about it and I wouldn't be surprised if she's put back in the cooler.

Do cooties count as a "mystery ailment"?

Panamah
06-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Ok, if you want to see her be humiliated, this is probably the best place to watch: http://www.tmz.com/

Apparently the judge and sherrif argued for 2 hours over this today. :p

MZ has learned the reason Paris Hilton stayed at home while the lawyers and judge sat in court is because the Sheriff's Department refused to pick her up.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the Sheriff's position is that the judge does not have the power to order her to court. The Sheriffs believe they have sole jurisdiction to monitor and control Hilton while she is under house arrest.

The Sheriff's Department says they are the only ones authorized to take her anywhere. Thus, the standoff in court.

Tudamorf
06-08-2007, 03:29 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070608/ap_on_en_tv/paris_hilton_130<b>Screaming Paris Hilton sent back to jail</b>

LOS ANGELES -
Paris Hilton was taken from a courtroom screaming and crying Friday seconds after a judge ordered her returned to jail to serve out her entire 45-day sentence for a parole violation in a reckless driving case.

"It's not right!" shouted the weeping Hilton. "Mom!" she called out to her mother in the audience.Seriously, that judge should be fired. He obviously has a hard-on and has little interest in dispensing justice, or conserving taxpayer dollars.

Panamah
06-08-2007, 04:08 PM
Ah... I think I understand now. Paris Hilton is a gay icon for some reason. Bette Midler, I can understand, Barbara Streisand I can understand. They're talented. But... Paris Hilton? I thought gays had better taste than that.

ToKu
06-08-2007, 04:22 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070608/ap_on_en_tv/paris_hilton_130Seriously, that judge should be fired. He obviously has a hard-on and has little interest in dispensing justice, or conserving taxpayer dollars.

I think if you asked "taxpayers" most would gladly pay the cost to see a disliked celeb serve thier time in prison. I think it was said best in a show I recently saw at a friends house. "People like to see beautiful people fall." Or something along those lines.

Honestly, it does seem though that there are a few judges around that have a hard on for making rich and famous pay for thier crimes.

I will confess myself that I will lose no sleep over this recent development though.

Aidon
06-08-2007, 04:25 PM
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

Even if its injustice towards stupid, filthy rich, dirty, slut debutantes.

palamin
06-08-2007, 05:34 PM
quote"I can't think of a person who's ever had to serve 40 days in prison for reckless op, or a first offense DUI."

I can.

quote"None of us know why she was released early...we do know that she doesn't get to make that decision, so I'm reasonably certain that whoever made the decision had some reason for doing so."

After a judge order stating she will have to serve out the sentence in prison no ifs ands or buts about it. Then, she was released from prison after 3 days for a medical condition to house arrest. Apparently, an undersheriff called up the judge that Paris had a medical condition and was submitting papers for the judge to consider. They never arrived. The judge has a point on things like that, they are usually submitted and approved for early release to a judge. And it makes a bad precedent. Alot of rulings and judgments are used in research by Attorneys, so it would get brought up.

My whole beef with this situtation is just that bad precedent. Being released from prison early without court approval.

Tudamorf
06-08-2007, 05:44 PM
Paris Hilton is a gay icon for some reason.What?

Tudamorf
06-08-2007, 05:47 PM
I think if you asked "taxpayers" most would gladly pay the cost to see a disliked celeb serve thier time in prison.If you asked taxpayers whether they want to spend $50 a day to keep a nonviolent, minor offender in jail, or spend almost nothing using an alternative punishment, they'd pick the latter. That's what counts, not their biases against celebrities.I will confess myself that I will lose no sleep over this recent development though.When judges show obvious bias and cast aside justice to further their career goals, you should be worried.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
06-08-2007, 06:06 PM
What?

Diva?

ToKu
06-08-2007, 08:35 PM
If you asked taxpayers whether they want to spend $50 a day to keep a nonviolent, minor offender in jail, or spend almost nothing using an alternative punishment, they'd pick the latter. That's what counts, not their biases against celebrities.When judges show obvious bias and cast aside justice to further their career goals, you should be worried.

Unfortunatly they are human... we expect the best but if I worried about everyone who has such a large impact on my life, i'd never have time for anything else, because they are ALL human and subject to bias, predjudices, politics.. in short, human nature.

With everything else going on in the world right this minute, this incident makes page 2 of my "OMG worry" list.

Tudamorf
06-08-2007, 09:43 PM
With everything else going on in the world right this minute, this incident makes page 2 of my "OMG worry" list.How many of those things are you able to change, though?

Come next election, the L.A. voters should send a message and get rid of this judge.

Micahle
06-08-2007, 09:45 PM
Ah... I think I understand now. Paris Hilton is a gay icon for some reason. Bette Midler, I can understand, Barbara Streisand I can understand. They're talented. But... Paris Hilton? I thought gays had better taste than that.


We do. :P