View Full Forums : Montebello, Quebec - SPP


Swiftfox
08-25-2007, 01:30 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html

Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest
Last Updated: Thursday, August 23, 2007 | 7:52 PM ET
CBC News

Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.

A YouTube video shows Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, ordering three masked men back from a line of riot police.

However, the police force denied allegations its undercover officers were there on Monday to provoke the crowd and instigate violence.

"At no time did the police of the Sûreté du Québec act as instigators or commit criminal acts," the police force said in French in a news release. "It is not in the police force's policies, nor in its strategies, to act in that manner.

"At all times, they responded within their mandate to keep order and security."


Police said the three undercover officers were only at the protest to locate and identify non-peaceful protesters in order to prevent any incidents.

Police came under fire Tuesday, when a video surfaced on YouTube that appeared to show three plainclothes police officers at the protest with bandanas across their faces. One of the men was carrying a rock.

In the video, protest organizers in suits order the men to put the rock down, call them police instigators and try unsuccessfully to unmask them.

Police-issued boots identified fake protesters
Protest organizers on Wednesday played the video for the media at a news conference in Ottawa. One of the organizers, union leader Dave Coles, explained that one reason protesters knew the men's true identities was because they were wearing the same boots as other police officers.

Coles said on Wednesday that the only thing he didn't know was whether the men were Quebec police, RCMP or hired security officers.

"[Our union] believes that the security force at Montebello were ordered to infiltrate our peaceful assembly and provoke incidents," said Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union.

Police said the three were told to monitor protesters who were not peacefully demonstrating to prevent any violent incidents, but they were called out as undercover agents when they refused to throw objects.

Concern Canada losing control of its energy
The protest at Montebello occurred outside the Fairmont Le Château Montebello hotel, near Ottawa, where Prime Minister Stephen Harper was meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon. The summit about border security, free trade and other issues began Monday and finished Tuesday.

Protesters said they gathered to voice their concern about Canada losing control of its energy and water resources and borders. Others decried what they called a high level of secrecy at the summit.

The Quebec provincial police will not comment any further on the affair, a spokeswoman in Montreal said.

Quebec Justice Minister Jacques Dupuis was made aware of the news, but a spokesman from his office said he will not comment on the matter either.

Infowars version (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/spp_montebello_canadian_police_caught_stage_riots. htm)

The cop clearly had a rock in his hand. There is absolutly no reason for this unless they were truely there to instigate. The RCMP have in history been tied to instigating a riots ie: Regina Riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-to-Ottawa_Trek)

The security for this secretive meeting cost Canadian taxpayers 80 Million dollars. When taxpayers are footing the bill we have the right to know what is being said. The Spp is "evolution by stealth" by their own words to form the North American Union, including bringing about a common currency widely assumed to be the Amero. The minute notes from an earlier meeting were released via FOIR. The Liberal Paul Martin, signed on earlier in a meeting that included Mexico's Vincente Fox. This meeting is continuing its advancement with the Conservative Steven Harper showing the voting public isn't going to be able to Democraticly avoid the downsides of the SPP.

http://yayacanada.blogspot.com/2007/08/montebello-village-under-seige.html

Partnership viewed as a threat to sovereignty (http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=2cc4380d-6d5f-4700-9591-04b6a62637f9)

President Bush, a supporter of NAFTA, entered the picture on March 23, 2005, when he issued a statement with then-Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and announced the establishment of the SPP. I had reported that the statement was signed by President Bush, but was corrected by a reader who said that, according to the SPP website, it was not. The SPP says, “The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.”

Yet I found a statement issued by then-Prime Minister Martin, in which he declared that “President Bush, President Fox and I signed the Security and Prosperity Partnership…” A transcript of a “press availability” from June 27, 2005, shows Carlos Abascal, the Mexican Secretary of the Interior, saying that, “Our three leaders, President Fox, President Bush and prime Minister Paul Martin have signed the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”

Why would officials of Canada and Mexico say the document was signed when it was not? Are they simply in error?


Arizona State University teaches how continent to be integrated

Arizona State University is teaching that the U.S., Mexico and Canada need to be integrated into a unified superstate, where U.S. citizens of the future will be known as “North Americanists,” according to the taxpayer-funded “Building North America” program.

The program openly advocates for the integration of economic issues across the continent, and in many places goes further – such as the call for a common North American currency.

One teaching module made available online for professors to integrate into their teachings was written by George Haynal, senior fellow at the Norman Patterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University, and implied a joint military is required. Since the security of the continent “is a joint need; it should be supplied as a common enterprise.”

“Given the nature of the threats against our security in the current environment, the first task is to reinvent ‘borders.’ We must exercise the responsibility for protecting our society against external threats where we can do so most effectively, not where infrastructures happens to be in place,” he added. “Multilateral cooperation is going to be essential among governments.”

Swiftfox
08-25-2007, 01:34 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/backissues.php

scroll down to < Should we hitch the loonie to the U.S. dollar? >

Swiftfox
08-25-2007, 01:36 AM
SPP integration deal risks Canadian sovereignty and vital fresh water resources

OTTAWA – Canada stands to lose millions of litres of fresh water as a result of bulk water exports if the Conservatives enact proposals being discussed later this week in a closed-door meeting in Calgary. Today NDP MPs stood on the steps of Parliament Hill and called for a full parliamentary debate on the issue of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) - before the government implements this deep integration with the U.S. any further.

“We are calling on the Canadian government to pull out of these talks. It is beyond all reason that our government would be looking for ways to ship our fresh water resources in bulk to the United States,” said NDP International Trade Critic Peter Julian.

Last week, the Council of Canadians revealed a leaked memo that showed high level secret-talks would begin this week in Calgary between government and business leaders to discuss “water consumption, water transfers and artificial diversions of bulk water” with the aim of achieving “joint optimum utilization of the available water.”

see also http://www.jbs.org/node/5230

Thicket Tundrabog
08-25-2007, 06:29 AM
The Canadian dollar used to be directly linked to the U.S. dollar so nothing new there. The exchange rate was 1 Can$ = 0.925 U.S.$. The exchange rate became variable several decades ago.

Millions of litres of water??!! That's pretty funny. You do realize that's a puny amount, right. Let's take an average backyard above ground Walmart kids swimming pool. It's a circular pool, 7 feet across. We'll fill it with three feet of water. One million litres of water will fill 300 swimming pools. Wow... what a giganormous amount of water (sarcasm).

You actually mean to tell me that cops sometimes go undercover? Wow. That's amazing. I never would've thought this possible. Next you'll be telling me that the CIA has spies. What's the world coming to?

Swiftfox
08-25-2007, 11:54 AM
Amero is getting almost zero press in Canada. If Amero is a glorified free-trade and regional co-operation program then there will resistance, but not that much.

If Amero involves a common currency, or loss of sovereignty, someone better get their military ready because it's not going to happen in Canada. Friendly neighbours who co-operate is great. Anything more than that would be strongly resisted (90%+) by Canadians. Any Canadian political party that advocated integration with the United States would cease to exist.

-Thicket Tundrabog

Funny , here you didn't support a common currency at all. Watch the "Should we hitch the loonie to the U.S. dollar?" clip.

Fresh water is a valuable resource. You're going to nitpick about the authors choice of words to describe a lot? Give me a break.

And Cops instigating violence during a peaceful demonstration as a justification to discredit the protest itself as well and give them an excuse to use their rubber bullets, tear gas etc... Nothing wrong with that to you eh? I don't care if they were undercover to monitor and be able to point out protestors who would be destructive, but they were clearly instigators at this event. If you watched them on the video , knowing all 3 of the mask wearing protestors were cops (admittedly) they were clearly not just "spying", they were provocateurs.

MadroneDorf
08-25-2007, 11:26 PM
If an author confuses things its usually a good indication hes not very informed.

Swiftfox
08-26-2007, 12:26 AM
You have got to be kidding .... Ok, lets play your stupid game. Really that's the only kink you are willing to dispute with this thread?

Canada stands to lose millions of litres of fresh water

Lets go with the dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/millions)

Millions, a number between 1,000,000 and 999,999,999, as in referring to an amount of money: His fortune was in the millions of dollars.

If you really would like to dispute water as the weakest link in this thread, so be it.

Edmonton Journal (http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=60e8a4c1-b733-4f96-a85c-d723c1f4e221)

The lack of usable water worldwide has made it more valuable than oil.
....
"There is only one direction for water prices at the moment, and that's up," said Hans Peter Portner, who manages a $2.9 billion US Water Fund at Pictet Asset Management in Geneva. The fund jumped 26 per cent last year, and Portner forecasts annual returns from water of eight per cent through 2020.

General Electric Co. chairman Jeffrey Immelt says "scarce" clean water worldwide will more than double the revenue he gets from water purification and treatment to $5 billion by 2010. "This will be a big and growing market for a long time," as governments struggle to bring water to four billion people who live in areas of profound shortage, Immelt said at the company's annual meeting in Philadelphia in April.


Time to tap Canada's water riches (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/story.html?id=dbb04244-e54d-48f7-bdbc-6d4d03383696)

Oil was the focus at the Global Business Forum in Banff, Alta., last week, but water will become the New Oil.

And Canada has an embarrassment of riches, while other nations are sorely disadvantaged. Fresh figures from an expert invited to the conference underscored a very bright future for Canada's water largesse.


Are millions of liters of water a little more important when it's worth more than oil?

Fyyr Lu'Storm
08-26-2007, 04:47 AM
I like the cops instigating riots angle of your post.

WTF is your point about water, though? Come on man.


You had me, then you lose me.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
08-26-2007, 05:05 AM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/325498_bottledwater28.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070727.RTICKER27SEC/TPStory/Business

Not like it matters.

If you thought your bottled water was spring water from the mountains, you were an,,,a ****ing idiot.



Not only to mention that the bottle gives off a chemical which will turn your swimmers into dogpaddlers. And make your Willy into a Lilly.

Thicket Tundrabog
08-26-2007, 09:56 AM
There's a huge difference between a linked currency and a common currency. A linked currency can be changed at any time. Besides, it's unlikely that Canada will link their currency to the U.S. The American dollar is too weak. Linking currencies is just an economic game. With the rising Canadian dollar, it keeps Canadian exports cheap, while making U.S. products more expensive. Linking the currencies is less about joining up with our American friends, than about ripping them off by keeping an artificially low Canadian dollar.

The water export issue has been around since at least the 1970's. It has some potential. If the U.S. wants to pay Canada for water, great. We'll send it down south, let it evaporate, fall back on Canada, and sell it again :p . Let's see. If every American drank a litre bottle of Canadian water a week, that would be more than 300 million litres of water per week. For a slightly higher price, we'll deliver it as beer.

Anka
08-26-2007, 02:15 PM
It is beyond all reason that our government would be looking for ways to ship our fresh water resources in bulk to the United States,” said NDP International Trade Critic Peter Julian.

I think the reason would be money. It's only a problem if there isn't enough water left for Canadians. I doubt that's going to happen.

If private companies are going to profit themselves by trading 'public' resources gained through the monopoly supply of utility services ... that's a different problem.

Tudamorf
08-26-2007, 03:19 PM
Police said the three were told to monitor protesters who were not peacefully demonstrating to prevent any violent incidents, but they were called out as undercover agents when they refused to throw objects.How could they have instigated the violence when they refused to participate it?

Tudamorf
08-26-2007, 03:23 PM
If you thought your bottled water was spring water from the mountains, you were an,,,a ****ing idiot.Actually, all water comes from the same place. It has been recycled on this planet for billions of years. The water in your carcinogenic Diet Coke was flowing on some stream or river at some point in the not-too-distant past.

And the filtered tap water kind of bottled water is superior to the water imported from exotic locations. Not only does it have less gasoline attached to it, but it can be even purer (try freezing it).Not only to mention that the bottle gives off a chemical which will turn your swimmers into dogpaddlers. And make your Willy into a Lilly.Which chemical is that?

Erianaiel
08-26-2007, 05:09 PM
Which chemical is that?

Paranoidium


Eri

MadroneDorf
08-26-2007, 06:06 PM
I think the reason would be money. It's only a problem if there isn't enough water left for Canadians. I doubt that's going to happen.

If private companies are going to profit themselves by trading 'public' resources gained through the monopoly supply of utility services ... that's a different problem.

Canada is the second largest country in the world, with only 30 million people... It would take a lot of selling of water to make it so canada doesn't have enough

Swiftfox
08-26-2007, 07:24 PM
Watch the video, the cop is holding the rock. That line you quoted is a big fat lie.

Tudamorf
08-27-2007, 01:48 AM
Watch the video, the cop is holding the rock. That line you quoted is a big fat lie.They admit one was holding the rock, but they said that their cover was blown when they refused to throw it. In other words, they refused to participate in violence even though the mob was urging them on.

So back my question: How could they have instigated the violence when they refused to participate in it?

Swiftfox
08-27-2007, 08:41 AM
They are lying.

Panamah
08-27-2007, 12:00 PM
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/yupko/LolCatRenderer2.aspxtoptinfoilcatbottomhassomedumb storiestotellyousize20imagenamealum_cat.jpg

Tudamorf
08-27-2007, 02:48 PM
They are lying.According to you, one was holding a rock, not throwing it. That's consistent with their story, not yours.

Swiftfox
08-27-2007, 06:36 PM
There is an additional protestor in black who in his best english, (Strong french accent) saying the cops were trying to "get us to be aggressive with them". The cop has no reason to have a rock in his hand what so ever. Are you telling me he was just taking it home for his collection? They got caught. and are trying to damage control. Do you think they would come out and say "Yea we were trying to provoke a riot."? Of course they are going to try and cover their asses. History has shown this sort of crap goes on and this time they got caught.

"Neither the SQ, nor the RCMP, commented; each initially denied planting agents provocateurs. "

So here they have already lied about it once. And they stage their arrests after talking to the riot geared officers in the corner. How can you try to tell me they are not lying now?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/240807_stage_riots.htm

"At the WTO protests in Genoa 2001 a protestor was killed after being shot in the head and run over twice by a police vehicle. The Italian Carabinere also later beat on peaceful protestors as they slept, and even tortured some, at the Diaz School. It later emerged that the police fabricated evidence against the protesters, claiming they were anarchist rioters, to justify their actions. Some Carabiniere officials have since come forward to say they knew of infiltration of the so called black bloc anarchists, and that fellow officers acted as agent provocateurs.

At the Free Trade Area of Americas protests in Miami in late November 2003, more provocateuring was evident. The United Steelworkers of America calling for a congressional investigation, stated that the police intentionally caused violence and arrested and charged hundreds of peaceful protestors. The USWA suggested that billions of dollars supposedly slated for Iraq reconstruction funds are actually being used to subsidize "homeland repression" in America."

Firstly, why should we accept the notion that it's legitimate for police officers to engage in tactics more familiar to rogue intelligence agencies by disguising themselves as anarchists in order to spy on completely non-violent protesters who are merely exercising their right to peaceably assemble?

Secondly, if the police had to go to the lengths of staging arrests to perpetuate the myth that the "anarchists" were real protesters then why should we believe for a second that they weren't intent on causing violence, since they had armed themselves with projectiles?

The so-called "black bloc" anarchists are completely infiltrated and controlled by the security services and are routinely employed at major protest events to cause riots and demonize legitimate peaceful protesters

Swiftfox
08-27-2007, 06:54 PM
- edit - removed as it would be a major thread derail. haha

ToKu
08-27-2007, 07:00 PM
This is a duh moment, of course agencies and governments deny if they do something that makes them look bad, nothing new there. Its when they are caught and can no longer lie about it that < insert fall guy > steps up and takes the blame.

And we all know taht random people wouldnt possibly lie either, especially if asked about a event, in order to take a jab at something they obviously dislike (hence being at said protest in first place.)

I remember at college during a demonstration against smoking, the tabacco industry set up huge machines and blew smoke at us, then started gunning us down with shotguns full of salt! EVVVIL! (Yes im lying about thier reaction.)

Tudamorf
08-27-2007, 09:28 PM
The cop has no reason to have a rock in his hand what so ever.Of course he did. He was trying to play the part. When he refused to go all the way and throw the rock, his cover was blown, so you can just imagine how ineffective his cover would be if he had refused to play along from the beginning.

I still don't see evidence that they provoked the mob; on the contrary, your evidence shows quite the opposite.

Swiftfox
08-27-2007, 10:16 PM
Enjoy your kool aid Tuda.. I think Fox news is on, you should go watch.

Thicket Tundrabog
08-28-2007, 12:28 PM
Let's see now... who am I going to believe, the police, or members of the protest group?

The undercover police are there to observe and identify troublemakers. The protest group includes troublemakers who'd love to use violence if they could get away with it. They've done it before and they'll do it again.

I'll side with the police. They put their lives on the line to protect me and other law-abiding citizens (well... except for the odd speeding ticket).

Swiftfox
08-28-2007, 01:05 PM
And they love that you continue to think that way.

Tudamorf
08-28-2007, 03:17 PM
Enjoy your kool aid Tuda.Neither the cops nor the protesters have absolute credibility.

There is evidence in your video that directly supports the cops' version of events.

Do you have ANY evidence to substantiate your version of events?

Swiftfox
08-28-2007, 07:33 PM
The evidence is the video. The cop holding a rock. The protest organizers accusations, the masked guys agressive behavior, and the other protestor on video saying "They are trying to fool us. They are trying to get us to be agressive with them."

Now if that meant they were trying to antagonize a fight between them (Undercover cops) and these protestors or encourage others to join them in activity such as throwing rocks is irrelevant because either is provoking violence, and retaliation by the riot geared police.

You are doing a fine job of ignoring these facts that I have already pointed out. You justify everything by saying they were trying to look the part. My argument is you could have been completly plain clothed with no mask to look the part of a protestor.

The riot geared police completly ignore what the real protestors have to say and do not converse with them at all. At least one of the riot geared police knew they were cops, as you can see the tall one conversing with him shortly before the staged arrest.

The pressence of so many police/millitary (Snipers included), and the legnths gone to ensure security, combined with absolutely no media coverage and secrecy of the talks should be an indicator that what is being said is not going to be for the common good of any of our peoples. There wasn't even this much security at the Bilderberg meeting recently held in Ottawa.

Aidon
09-04-2007, 10:33 AM
Swift,

Just face it. Its only a matter of time before Quebec cedes in order to go off and be half-assed Frogs without the benefit of good wine, cheese, or the Riveria. At which point, Manitoba and Sasquatchiland will combine to become the 51st state of "Yes, people actually like, live up aboot here, eh".

Newfoundland will invade Nova Scotia in an attempt to dispell Newfie joke mythology only to discover that what's left of Canada doesn't care.

BC will clone Kurt Cobain and offer him up to Seattle in return for its own statehood, not wanting to actually be associated with Sasquatches.

Its merely a matter of time before the US incorporates Canada.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Hehe.

Swiftfox
09-05-2007, 09:14 PM
http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

Follow link for picture.

Palarran
09-05-2007, 10:18 PM
Yes, you can order your own Amero coin here:
http://www.dc-coin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=133

This is the same site that offers coins such as "Large Lobster on the Loose":
http://www.dc-coin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=65

or "The Empty Rectangle State":
http://www.dc-coin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=72

Swiftfox
09-06-2007, 06:14 AM
INSTANT, FULL BLAST "SPIN"



I published the images and the small story and went to bed. I had no idea what my little story would do.

Within a matter of hours, there was a full blown effort to discredit my story and the images as fake.

I was accused of lying. I was accused of having "photoshopped" the images by creating them in Adobe Photoshop.



Within a couple days, a basic web site for AMERO "FANTASY COINS" was erected on the internet and word of that site was spread quickly. The site contained the same images as I had run on my front page, so clearly whatever "SPIN" was happening was being driven by others who also had the professional images.

There was intense effort to claim the whole idea of these coins was a fantasy and there was absolutely no truth to them whatsoever. That effort to "spin" the story out of existence worked. Folks quickly lost interest. I did not.

Wether this is true or not remains to be seen, You should watch the video clips imbeded in my previous link aswell.

Page 26 of this document Says it's a possibility
http://vienna.usembassy.gov/en/download/pdf/trade_canada.pdf

B_Delacroix
09-06-2007, 12:35 PM
Holy gigantic pictures, batman.

Anyway, since this is a conspiracy thread. If I were conspiratorily inclined, I would wonder why all these companies are trying to buy up all my unused jewlery and gold. I seem to see them all the time now when I do actually turn on the TV.

Swiftfox
09-06-2007, 12:41 PM
-Deleted-

Was trying to remove picture. It is stupid big.