Posted on the Triton of Povar guild website....


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I can't bring myself to write very much about this at the moment, as I'm extremely devistated and borderline about to break down myself but earlier today we got the worst news possible, one of our guildmates had passed on.

The following was posted by his brother, whom has our deepest sympathies.

<strong>I really don’t know how to write this, so forgive me if my post is not as eloquent as it could be. I think the best way to write this is to be direct. My name is James. The one you know as Makavelli is my brother. Shane, Makavelli, passed away late Friday night. He came into town to visit me for the weekend. Our first night out we got split up at one of the bars and he apparently went out back to have a smoke. This is where he came upon two guys taking turns beating a third one. Shane went to intervene, but what he didn’t know was that one of the guys had a gun. Shane was shot four times in the chest and ended up dying before the ambulance even got there. The two guys that were giving the beating took off and we still have gotten no word from the police as to who they were. The third was able to get away as well. He told the police that the two men had thought he was hitting on one of their girlfriends. According to him they were going to shoot him in that ally, but Shane arrived to take the bullets for him.</strong>

Shane was a great player, a great guy as well as a hero and unfortunetly we won't ever be able to let him know that we'll always view him as one. He will be greatly missed by his online family and again, to all his friends, family, I offer my deepest condolenses and as soon as I am able I will post an email address where anyone who would like to, can send a message to the family. For now I have started a thread in the message boards entitled Makavelie which I'm sure the family will read.[/quote]



On the guild forum....

www.tritonguild.com/phpBB...php?t=9731 (http://www.tritonguild.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9731)

This is really sad....

I just have to say that I think it's a little sad that there's so much discussion going on over what druids might get or not get from Sony, and no one has posted to this thread. Not one of you. I'm sorry I just think that's a little bit selfish. I understand some of you might not have seen it but really, what's more important to you in the long run? Your nifty new feature that you may or may not get or someone's life? *shrug* never thought I'd be ashamed of my parent class.

*waves* Hi Stormhaven! Hope all is well with you.

Sallidar

"I'm sorry I just think that's a little bit selfish."

You can think what you want, all you want. I don't give a damn.

But don't come here and presume something, of which you know nothing about.

I just had a RL family member pass.

I had an ingame friend pass at the end of last year, never even knew her in RL. And I bawled like a baby at her ingame memorial. People deal with things like this in different ways, I think you have unmitigated gall to come here and pass judgement upon us(or anyone), based on your little(NO!) knowledge of what we are or who we are.

ods edit this if you like:
But if we are your parents, We sure should have spent the 250 bucks for the D and C.

We come to this board to discuss EQ. We play EQ to flee the real world and enjoy a world of fantasy for a while. I feel sorry for anyone that needs to come here for sympathy.

Hopefully, if you need sympathy and/or comfort you have real life family and have spent enough time away from this game to have real life friends.

Over the course of many years of gaming (in many different games) I have heard many stories of people that play a game dying in real life. Sometimes the stories are real and sometimes they are just made up by people that want to yank other peoples chains.

Whichever is the case, in this instance, this is not the place to come to resolve grief.

Go, spend time with your family and friends.

This is a tragedy, no doubt. I had a friend who had basically the same thing happen. He intervened in a fight between two guys and a girl and the guys ended up beating him to death with baseball bats... he didn't die right away though; he lingered 2 weeks in a coma first before they removed life support.

Yes, this is a sad event, but the fact is that most likely very few people here knew this person. I know I didn't, which is why I didn't post in this thread earlier. Trying to shame people into posting in this thread is a bit harsh don't you think?

Fyyr, I won't edit your thread, but I think the last part is a bit much. Are you sure you wanted to say that?

Sometimes silence is respectful. Too bad you didn't ever learn about that as a child.

I tip my cap or glass to this fellow who fought the evil element in our society.

i read this yesterday and really didnt know what to say, its so very sad but i can say this...

/agree Gimli Fan

makavelie.triton-teamice.com/# (http://makavelie.triton-teamice.com/#)

Please take the time to sign your EQ name and a message in memory of Makevelie who died last week Friday.

Thank you.

I didn't respond for a number of reasons, but the biggest one being that we just had someone fake their death on our server about 2 weeks ago. Everyone mourned for this person...there were posts all over the place. I felt seriously bad for her, her family, her friends, her guild, etc. It gave me pause to think about how insignificant this eq stuff is. Then it came out a few days later that she faked her death. Now, everyone has a bad taste in their mouth over it - the reason she stated she faked her death and the fact that we were taken in by the entire thing.

If this is for real, I'm sorry but I can't help but doubt.

Call me a insensitive, I'm sure some will, but if I choose to skim and ignore that post, so what. I didn't know the guy from Adam and I don't feel a need to go sign a sympathy e-card at some site or reply in sorrow to the first post. It's unfortunate and sometimes tragic, but people die every day. I don't read the paper and send flowers to relatives of those that pass in my town whom I don't know. Doesn't mean I don't care. It means I'm not connected. Also, just because the guy played EQ doesn't mean I need to see his obituary on this board, or that I am connected. Appropriate on his guild board, yes. That would be respectful. It would even be appropriate on the server board but to it spam it across all the boards is imho disrespectful in itself. And - by someone coming and chastising me not replying only incites more disrespect.

Sallidar says: I just have to say that I think it's a little sad that there's so much discussion going on over what druids might get or not get from Sony, and no one has posted to this thread. Not one of you.

As of now, 544 people read it. There's nothing to discuss. Random violence is tragic but it happens every day. It hardly even belongs on this forum, because it's OT. I'm surprised the mods haven't moved/locked this thread already.

When 1 person dies its a tragedy, when 10,000 people die, its a statistic.

aybe it is cold and hard to understand, but most people dont care about 1 of the 2987 people who died to a violent crime in a certain period of time.

You have my sincere condolences and my best wishes go to you and your family.

You may wish, however, to provide a few basic verifiable details such as the full name of your brother, the town in which the incident ocurred, the name of the bar, the police station that is investigating the incident and the sergeant in charge of the matter in order that the members of the EQ community can be assured that this is the real thing - as an EQ player yourself you are undoubtedly aware that people fake their own deaths and deaths of their acquaintances on a regular basis for a variety of reasons. I think if you provide those details people will be much more forthcoming - and that thread will serve as a moving tribute to your brother. The choice, however, is up to you.

Regards,

Sashanna

well, i certainly don't want to make light of this situation, because if it's true, it's really sad. here's some facts you might want to take into consideration before deciding though:

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Yeah, there are some unanswered questions:

- where's the link to a news story / obituary? Wouldn't a "man dies a hero to an EVIL HANDGUN, FORGED BY SATAN" make a good news story?

- how did his brother who didn't play EQ, or live with him, know to post about this on a private, password protected, Triton board?

- as (name omitted) mentioned, why would two burly guys beating the hell out of someone not kill him, but then turn and shoot some other dude in the chest, then let the guy they were beating the hell out of live?

Supposedly they were going to beat, then shoot, the person they thought was hitting on their girlfriend. Ok, a little unlikely maybe, but entirely possible.

So then, why would they not shoot the guy if they had intended to kill him to begin with? They clearly had ammo left, even the lowest capacity revolver holds 5 rounds.

- he appearently "went out back to smoke" in an alley, last time I was at a bar, people didn't go behind the bar in an alley to smoke

Furthermore, how would anyone know his intentions of smoking? Do they non-smoking bars? Wouldn't the people go out in the front to smoke? Why would ANYONE go into an alley, behind a bar, to smoke?

- Why would they shoot someone right outside a bar where anyone could see them? Anyone who's ever fired a gun knows how incredibly loud they are-- not wearing hearing protection makes your ears ring for hours and is extremely painful. It'd be like waving a flag and yelling "hi, arrest me".

I guess the supposed criminals could be stupid, but...

- How did they shoot someone 4 times in the chest? Police officers shooting someone have about a 12% accuracy with handguns in a situation like this-- and very few people shoot as well as the police. It's entirely possible but again, very unlikely.

- MANY times before this has happened-- very few EQ players have actually died, but MANY before have purported to die for whatever reason

- Gee what a coincidence... on the very night he was supposed to have died on, this fully flagged level 65 elemental gear monk appears on Playerauctions from his server:

www.playerauctions.com/li...1055014548 (http://www.playerauctions.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=1055014548)

But I'm sure there are so many other level 65 monks than suddenly went inactive that have elemental gear etc...

- his email address on his triton profile is jason_barre2k@yahoo.com... yet his "brother" claims his name is Shane. Did he register an email account to a RL name that wasn't his?


I'm sorry but until convinced otherwise, I think this dude made this sh*t up to sell his account.
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take it for what you will, but i'm entirely unconvinced of this until i see a news story or something somewhere. if it is true, my apologies, and my condolences.

"It hardly even belongs on this forum, because it's OT."

I would like to leave this up till all the Sherlock Holmes' out there figure this thing out. I hate hoaxes.

The monks over at MB will ferret out the truth or fiction of this story. But let us see where this goes.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>... on the very night he was supposed to have died on, this fully flagged level 65 elemental gear monk appears on Playerauctions from his server[/quote]
Sick.

I thought this was funny...
- How did they shoot someone 4 times in the chest? Police officers shooting someone have about a 12% accuracy with handguns in a situation like this-- and very few people shoot as well as the police. It's entirely possible but again, very unlikely.

Police officers are some of the worst shots I've ever seen. I've got several friends on the local police force as well as a friend who's father was the deputy sheriff of a city in CA to pool my judgment from. Most police officers have to spend a required amount of time in a range, and they only have to pass an accuracy test. In Texas, the accuracy test required to get a concealed handgun license is stricter than many police department regulations.

Also, I had never picked up a gun in my life before eight months ago when a friend wanted to go shooting at an indoor range. From 3, 7 and 10 yards, I was 90% accurate (meaning I hit the central body mass or head of a target) with a .22cal and 9mm. I was 80% accurate with a .357 and .45. While the ranges may sound short, studies show that most fire fights (well over 80%) take place within 5 yards.

You've got to admit that it will be more difficult shooting a moving target when your life is on the line than shooting a dummy or a piece of paper on a shooting range. Besides, I bet the person who shot him was within five feet if they were fighting. The question to ask, is why four times? One would have been enough, and they left one witness anyway.

This happened on another online community I used to be a part of. A well-known and well liked persons "sister" posted on the community boards that she had died. The story was full of holes like the one above. Several people knew her real name and town yet no one could confirm if the story was true. A big flame fest ensued with the sympathizers blasting the skeptical ones. The skeptical ones digging up evidence along the way. It was a huge thread and in the end, after about two weeks, the thread ended with no actual confirmation of whether or not she was alive or dead…. until about six months later… someone stumbled upon her new webpage lol… she had an online business.

You should have seen the guest book after the community got wind of that!! Talk about anger.. I think some of those people sent money to her family when they thought she was dead. The sympathizers we're understandably angered the most because they had blindly defended her and felt really stupid in the end. The whole incident caused a big rift in the community.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sick.[/quote]

Don't be so quick to judge Kildaera.

aka's magelo profile only shows him having 44 AA's. PlayerAuctions listed having over 100.

I'm not trying to say who is right or wrong in this case, only pointing out some inconsistencies.

Stormhaven,


Take a look sometime at the stats on number of shots fired versus confirmed casualties, both civilian and millitary.

Both are well under 20%.

You can't even compare target range shooting to shooting under stress. That's liek saying you can win the Daytona because you are great at paralell parking on a closed course.


4 shots in the chest? Not unless you are two feet away shooting at a prone figure, and then only if he isn't moving. You cannot cycle rounds from a pistol fast enough to shoot someone in the chest four times before they fall.

Someone said
"I guess the supposed criminals could be stupid, but"

In Texas about a year ago a couple of guys were arrested after holding up a bank. There were arrested because AFTER holding up a bank they stopped at a gas station about 2 blocks away to fill up their car and left without paying. The gas station clerk reported the car to the police (with liscence plate) who realized it matched the getaway car from the bank robbery.

Yes there are stupid criminals out there.

As to the validity of the orginal poster who knows.

This is not directed at any one person, but I agree with Nimphe. No one should be so quick to judge, to question. While others have done horrible things in the past such as say they died etc, not everyone is like that. I can't even begin to imagine how this persons family feels if they see this board with people questioning it, picking apart details of the post like a pack of vultures over a piece of trash. Some of you people ought to be ashamed of yourselves. If I had lost a loved one and had to post to notify the friends and community I am sure that post wouldn't make sense at all. I probably couldn't even spell my own name if my brother had just passed away. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?? When did people start being judged by the actions of others on everything? Many of you are being totally unfair and I don't care how much crap I take from posting this. If you didn't think the post belonged there then don't reply, if you don't believe it let it go.

I am not saying that the ones who do post dishonestly are right in any way at all. They obviously have some serious mental problems to do something like that. But..we don't know that is the case here, and to attack this post like this is just wrong. Imagine how you would feel if it happened to you. And for those cold hearted people who don't feel shame or care about others and are already thinking of the things you can say or call me, don't waste your time. This may or may not have happened but the fact that people jumped right up and assumed oh no this guy is lying! really says a lot about their character, or lack of.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Maka's magelo profile only shows him having 44 AA's. PlayerAuctions listed having over 100. [/quote]
Fair enough I suppose, but my Magelo still lists Kildaere as level 60 with no aa's, and Alaida's as level 55.... when truthfully Kildy is 65 with 120aa's and Alai is level 59...

Honestly, I was just disgusted by the idea of someone faking a death and posting on PA the same night, that to me is sick. I never said it was actually done...

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I can't even begin to imagine how this persons family feels if they see this board with people questioning it, picking apart details of the post like a pack of vultures over a piece of trash.[/quote]

If someone wants public sympathy the very least they can do is be upfront with the public. Post an obituary or link to the local paper. This person died in a way that would make the news. Where is the news article? ANYTHING posted on a public board is subject to discussion, yes even from people who might say something you don’t want to hear.

I really don't think it's insensitive to ask for more information especially when online hoaxes are so prevalent. This person is going around posting this on EVERY everquest class board they can find. That in its self it rather suspicious. For all we know this could be an elaborate hoax by those folks at the original board to see how many people they can fool or maybe just to show how many folks in the EQ community are a bunch of lemmings.

Why do I choose to say something? 1) I don't think this post belongs here, and 2) I'm really indifferent to people who cry wolf (without backup) and spam every EQ board they can find. 3) If folks like me don't speak up, the folks who do this sort of thing will think it's ok since no one is calling them on it.

Falamil said: 4 shots in the chest? Not unless you are two feet away shooting at a prone figure, and then only if he isn't moving. You cannot cycle rounds from a pistol fast enough to shoot someone in the chest four times before they fall.

Try re-reading the quote I posted first.
How did they shoot someone 4 times in the chest? Police officers shooting someone have about a 12% accuracy with handguns in a situation like this-- and very few people shoot as well as the police. It's entirely possible but again, very unlikely.

The point I was making was not shoot-to-kill ratios but rather in the fallacy that most people think that police are the end-all, be-all of weapons accuracy. The statement Very few people shoot as well as the police is incorrect, and as you pointed out, the numbers quantify this conclusion.

Either way, this probably isn't proper place to discuss this. If you want to continue this conversation, IM me or open up a new thread in OT.

Whether this information is true or a hoax, it is a tragedy. It is a reflection on the violence and deceit we live with daily. I would prefer that this message board be used for gaming issues, as there are more appropriate places to debate truth, lies and tragedy.

Anyone else in favor of locking this? I mean nothing good can come of it at this point.

This is a gaming board.....this should be in OT or not here at all.