I was frankly pretty bored by the last one. My only hope was to see someone stumble and no one did. This one though could get nasty, but I thought the last one might. But this is fini. McCain is on the ropes he might throw the last of his decency out the window and try to land some low blows, that he swore he wouldn't... :gunfight: :frocket:

This one though could get nasty

It's looking like that may very well be the case: McCain: At Wednesday's Debate I Plan To Bring Up Ayers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-at-wednesdays-deba_n_134506.html?aaa)

Ok, guess I gotta watch it then!

It's ironic that John "'I'm not going to telegraph my punches" McCain is letting everyone know that he plans to bring up Ayers at the debate.

Don't see why it matters. Anyone who would care about the Ayers issue( and the Jerimiah Wright issue and all the other unsavory people talk radio is associating Obama with) has already made up their mind on it one way or the other.

Klath is just having fun with what was said in the last debate where McCain faulted Obama for broadcasting that he'd launch attacks on the Pakastan/Afganistan border if he had intelligence that lead him to believe the Taliban was there (like the current administration is currently doing).

Ok, watched it. Wish I had thought to drink a little during it, would've made it more fun. They looked pretty tense, I thought McCain was going to explode.

Ok, watched it. Wish I had thought to drink a little during it, would've made it more fun. They looked pretty tense, I thought McCain was going to explode.

Great, one candidate may well end up having a heart attack before he can even be elected while the other stands a real chance of being assassinated by the foaming-at-the-mouth fanatical followers of the other candidate.


Eri

LOL! I guess we're doomed to have Biden or Palin then.

And they’ve moved on, too. None of their effort during the debate was for those of us who have been with them since the beginning. At this point, they only care about the small chunk of undecided voters in swing states. That means a handful of people in Ohio who have managed to avoid noticing that Obama and McCain disagree on virtually every important issue facing the nation and continue to insist that they are torn between them.

Plus, of course, a couple of folks who got picked for a long-running television panel of undecided voters and don’t want to admit they’ve made up their minds because they’ll get thrown out.

This is one of the reasons why the last few weeks of a presidential campaign tend to be so awful. The candidates are gearing their remarks to people who have managed to completely ignore nearly two years of news about the 2008 elections. In the end, it’s always all about the ones who play hard to get.
Exactly!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/opinion/16collins.html

Exactly!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/opinion/16collins.html

Which is why I think it is so important to have a system of proportional representation and why district systems are pretty much always producing worse results.


Eri

Yeah, we have broken politics. I'd definitely redo it if I were Queen of everything.

Hmmm... was Joe the Plumber a set up?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp

he's not licensed as a plumber, owes back taxes... what else?

Hmmm... was Joe the Plumber a set up? he's not licensed as a plumber, owes back taxes... what else?

According to Crooks and Liars (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/joe-plumber-more-joe-keating-family-) he's a partisan Republican who also happens to be a member of McCain's old friends, the Keating family.

Well, I sincerely doubt that McCain has anything to do with Keating any longer but I wouldn't put it past Republicans to set something up. Rather clever actually.

I agree but it's nice seeing that the sleazy guilt-by-association knife cuts both ways.

Truth be told, I really don't care about any of these peripheral "issues" for either candidate/running mate. In fact, while Obama's general platform and beliefs more closely overlap my own, the primary reason I'd vote for him is that he is clearly a more intelligent and deliberative person than McCain. I am confident that he will pick first rate people for his administration and that he has the leadership skills to get them all working together. If he runs the country as he has run is campaign, we'll be in good hands. McCain, on the other hand, has run a lousy campaign, he's willing to compromise his principles when convenient, he makes important decisions recklessly (Palin!!!), and can't seem to put together and stick to a coherent strategy. I also get the feeling that he is letting his campaign run him rather than the other way around.

I totally agree. I just watched the FrontLine about Obama and McCain and how poorly McCain run (or let his) campaign be run, in the primary, such that he almost had to drop out. Seems like pretty poor executive skills.

I think Obama is right on when he says that McCain is erratic. He is!

And notice how they use Palin as the attack dog. No one will attack her back because she's a woman and that would be viewed as sexist or worse.

And notice how they use Palin as the attack dog. No one will attack her back because she's a woman and that would be viewed as sexist or worse.
I don't think the Republicans have quite figured out what sexism is yet. If they had, they'd have realized that viewing any/all attacks on Palin as sexist is, well, sexist.