Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-allen17-2009may17,0,491082.story)
Superstar atheists are motivated by anger -- and boohoo victimhood.

By Charlotte Allen
ay 17, 2009

I can't stand atheists -- but it's not because they don't believe in God. It's because they're crashing bores.

Other people, most recently the British cultural critic Terry Eagleton in his new book, "Faith, Reason, and Revolution," take to task such superstar nonbelievers as Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins ("The God Delusion") and political journalist Christopher Hitchens ("God Is Not Great") for indulging in a philosophically primitive opposition of faith and reason that assumes that if science can't prove something, it doesn't exist.

y problem with atheists is their tiresome -- and way old -- insistence that they are being oppressed and their fixation with the fine points of Christianity. What -- did their Sunday school teachers flog their behinds with a Bible when they were kids?

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Christians are so clueless, as is that author.

Do she really think we care to debate the existence of their god, or their utterly circular epistemological/theological claims? We don't care. We consider the topic irrelevant.

Hitchens put it best right in the beginning of god Is Not Great: we just want to be left alone.

I'd like the Christians to explain to me why it's morally justified to continually try to deny us that right, the same right they've had for ages.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=7619753

Christian child abusers, in the name of Jesus Christ.

a group despised as wishy-washy by atheists

The only point of truth in the 'essay'.

Can you take an oppressor saying her "oppressed are whiners" seriously?


The sooner we are rid of this ridiculous primitive superstition, the better.
It was not long ago that people like the four horsemen would have been banned, or burned.

And some moral and mental midget comes out and calls them bores and whiners....

Funny.
Charlotte Allen is the author of "The Human Christ: The Search for the Historical Jesus" and a contributing editor to the Minding the Campus website of the Manhattan Institute.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/
"Turning Intellect into Influence" the site says...

pshaaww.
What a retard.

Atheists can get pretty spiteful. I used to belong to a secular humanist group and there was one young guy in the group that wanted to go burn down churches. Whoo boy... I hope he never acted on that.

Yeah, religious people are annoying and in our faces but we don't need to call them stupid, ignorant and sheep-like. I don't think that's going to win anyone over. Besides, it sounds like your propensity to believe in the supernatural is probably a brain wiring thing.

ostly atheists just want to not have religion pushed at us. If you all left us alone, we'd leave you alone. I think France has worked it out pretty well. Religious stuff stays in the religious buildings. On the streets, they're all just citizens of France.

That video is kinda scary actually. I didn't really get twirling the kids around but, ok, no harm done there, but, the melted candlewax and the other crap they were doing, what the heck? The holy water was allittle ridiculous. But, at least they didn't do the water trick with the kids to see if they float or sink when they drown. Come on now though, they are kids. In an area where Christianity is taking root in, an area where some previous religeons were largely shamanistic, how very 14th century of them....

As with many reports on the subject, of Atheism, journalists such as the one here are citing the work of some of the radical Atheists, which while their work does have merit. However, it seems the reporter fails to understand why Atheists feel like they are oppressed or have been oppressed thoroughly. While it is certainly an opinion which is fine and dandy, all that. I have opinions to, doesn't neccessarily mean anyone agrees with me.

But, as another example, why do blacks and hispanics, etc., still feel like they are being oppressed with rampant racism. I mean the 13th amendment was ratified in Mississippi in 1993-94 right, as well as the civil rights acts in 1964, affirmative actions, so, surely with the logic in that article they are just whining. And women to. And Homosexuals.

Surely, like all the other minorities, they honestly must just be whining, for no reason, not to point out flaws in society, future flaws in society, bringing up previous treatments and current treatments as sources of educational material of what not to do as societies continue to evolve. Oh, and Jews must just be whining about a bunch of haters in the middle east bombing them every week and the whole holocaust was so 50 years ago. How about Gypsies as well? Surely, their continued persecution in Europe to this day as well as the whole holocaust thing in Germany and Russia.... The list goes on and on ......

...an area where some previous religeons were largely shamanistic

You are talking about Christianity...

Which practices ritualized cannibalism.
And they worship a zombie.
Who's mother was raped by a ghost.
And who's priests must have mummified body parts to sanctify their temples of worship.


Um, reality check. Christianity IS shamanistic.


And I have not EV-en gotten to Pentecostals and Baptists.

If you all left us alone, we'd leave you alone.

Clearly the oppressors are not content with that.
That is what the OP ED here shows.

They want to keep you alienated and segregated.
Don wan yo gettin no uppity, der little godless girl. Keep in yo place.

It's surprising how so many of us here are atheists or at least agnostic.

It's surprising how so many of us here are atheists or at least agnostic.It's not surprising when you consider how many of us there really are.

Fifteen percent of Americans will admit to it in response to a survey, and it's anyone's guess how many won't admit to it.

ost remain in the closet due to the severe discrimination they fear. For example, I'll openly admit it, but Fyyr won't.

We're far more common than blacks in America, and far more oppressed, yet we have far less representation and public acceptance.

Some countries in Europe (especially France and Scandinavian countries) and Asia (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, possibly China) have less than 50% "believers", so it's certainly probable that we can have an atheist majority if our government stops preaching Christianity as the national religion and if everyone becomes free to choose their own way.

Some countries in Europe (especially France and Scandinavian countries) and Asia (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, possibly China) have less than 50% "believers", so it's certainly probable that we can have an atheist majority if our government stops preaching Christianity as the national religion and if everyone becomes free to choose their own way.

There's a problem with your analysis, many of the countries which are more atheist than us have more religion in their governments than we do. Norway, Denmark, and Iceland still have official state religions/churches, and Sweden only separated church from state in 2000.

From my understanding talking to Norwegians, they do have religion shoved down their throats in public schools as kids, and that's the reason why the Norwegians I know were turned off to it at such a young age. And perhaps the prevalence of state religion in Scandinavia has something to do with why black metal is popular there too.

While there is a lot of 'pimping for Jesus' done by politicians in the US, I don't think it really translates into changes in everyday life. I don't recall having any religion being 'shoved down my throat' in school growing up, for example. (Than again I grew up in a liberal area in the north east, not the bible belt.)

There's a problem with your analysis, many of the countries which are more atheist than us have more religion in their governments than we do. Norway, Denmark, and Iceland still have official state religions/churches, and Sweden only separated church from state in 2000.Sure, they, and other European countries, have figureheads who are vestiges from centuries ago when religious leaders ruled.

But in practice, their governments are far more secular than ours.

And that's quite ironic, since the Founding Fathers, who were sick of European religious oppressors, intended the exact opposite.I don't recall having any religion being 'shoved down my throat' in school growing up, for example. (Than again I grew up in a liberal area in the north east, not the bible belt.)So did I.

But, for example, although I took all the advanced science courses, I was never taught about human evolution (or any evolution for that matter) until I went to college. I knew a little about it from outside sources, but it was, at most, a footnote in a biology text.

And this was the early 1980s, not 1925.