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Kayleana Dear
05-30-2002, 10:46 PM
I dont often dual, but tonight i tried dualing my friend, i am a level 56 druid with ok equipment and my friend is a level 60 bard with primal epic and such. I plan on dueling him again because it was sorta fun, but not in the sence that i got my @#%$ handed to me. I am wondering if there is anything i can do, or is it pretty much over before it starts.

Eternally bored,
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PraxxRZ
05-31-2002, 06:44 AM
Against a well geared 60 bard with all his songs, I think the best that you can do is expend your mana as fast as possible (mana-tap song.) This means Ro's, nuke nuke nuke. If you get lucky, you could win, but your level is going to hurt you alot.

Miss Foxfyre
05-31-2002, 08:08 AM
Against a 60 bard who has been to Sleeper's and presumably equipped in North TOV or better...hmmm...hehe. I hate to tell you this, but this guy will probably own you in every duel. He will be twisting songs and meleeing you. If you can even avoid getting hit, you could try to nuke him down.

PraxxRZ
06-04-2002, 08:05 PM
Bards don't really hit you fast enough that you can't channel, especially if you pin yourself in a corner. Chardok ring will help too, clickable damage shield, as well as 8/9/10th ring ..

Miss Foxfyre
06-04-2002, 09:40 PM
Bards don't really hit you fast enough that you can't channel, especially if you pin yourself in a corner.

Channel a fast nuke maybe...but bards dual-wield, and with their own haste and nice low-delay weapons, plus other songs that could drain you, you will have a hard time channeling. You could line up fast-casting nuke/stuns like FoA or BoK...but after watching a 60 bard duel a few others, I think it's not easy and he will own most people.

PraxxRZ
06-05-2002, 03:45 AM
I agree, however in my experience against bards if your mana pool is pretty large, you can come really close. The 3 times I duel'd level 60 primal/epic bards I won 2 and forfeit the 3rd fight. The time I lost I brought the bard down to a sliver life, and regret not nuking from the beginning. The other two times I used Scoriae as a quick-casting nuke, and the 3rd fight I used Moonfire and killed the poor bard in about 5 (lucky) nukes.

Pinning yourself in a corner is a very effective tactic; I'd be surprised if you aren't able to channel - a bard can't stun without songs. Furthermore, there are some clever channeling tricks you can use to your advantage if you can figure them out =P.

Oakendale FW
07-14-2002, 05:10 PM
Typical bards like to dispell... Most will try to dispell you right off the bat to get rid of your ds. While hes doing that a cpl wildfires or moonfires will take em down to almost half hps when he figured out u could care less about dispells. Also if ya wanna keep em busy through a dot like wd on em as hell try to dispell it off himself and during that time you can nuke em down again..... Either way bards can be very leathal but so can druids if played right. Just look at the situation your in and modifty your strategy to fit the scenerio is the best pvp advice anyone could give......


Oakendale ForestWalker
60 Druid

Kataliya
09-29-2002, 08:39 PM
Just look at the situation your in and modifty your strategy to fit the scenerio is the best pvp advice anyone could give......

Pretty vague advice. lol Like saying to somebody, "Well, if you're having a problem, just think up the best solution, and you'll be ok." Erm, if they were able to do so, they'd not have a problem, would they? =D

Kinare
09-30-2002, 05:21 AM
If you are going against a good bard, you will not win. No chance. Some bards have bad technique, or bad equipment. If either is the case you do have a chance...

Oakendale FW
10-05-2002, 10:20 AM
I diasagree. Player skill > classs selection. Minus mb peeps of course P

Oakendale ForestWalker
60 Druid

VereSZ
01-09-2003, 07:07 AM
Best way to beat a bard is gate.....

Peoni
01-09-2003, 05:43 PM
If your playing out in the open, where he can continually run around outdoors to regen when he gets low, forget it - bards are one of the few classes that a druid actually wants to be indoors fighting.

If you fight in the arena, indoors or somewhere he can't continually disengage, your in for at least a fighting chance.

The key is to keep your dmg shield up, and your health high. - have insta click items (jboots, ring 8, cloak of thorns, grim aura earring from BW, even a bracer from FM (casts instant see invis) ) - keep recasting these as he dispels you, so your thorns stay last in your buff stack (fill your buff slots entirely, so you have the full 15 buffs).

Bard melee, like all duel wielders is poor since he has to duel wield on you, if he can't get rid of your DS, its just a question of you channelling enough heals to keep yourself alive before he dies. If he backs off, nuke him down

When you can Debuff his FR and nuke, if hes mana draining you as well, you need to take him out as quickly as possible, time isn't really on yourside.

Cronuus
01-10-2003, 05:56 AM
high DS with goodregen/fungi and swarm dots will own bards.

Spyder001
01-10-2003, 06:35 AM
A smart bard will hit you 1-2 times, realize your DS is up, will back off, and start playing their annul magic song and strip you of ALL your buffs, THEN they will come back in and start hitting you.

If you land a WD on them, they play their Selo's song, run off, dispell the WD/swarming series, and then run back to you to beat on you some more. When you start casting, they play a stun song on you, so you dont land spells on them very often.

You see, bard songs dont cost mana, they can play them forever, and outlast you.

Your ONLY chance, is to land a snare and then blast them to pieces, before they can dispell it.

Peoni
01-10-2003, 09:50 AM
A bard who's done any pvp is going to dispel snare and dots the second they land.

Keeping your DS assuming you have insta clickies and knowledge of buff stacking isn't too hard.

Its the whole mana sucking + running out of range if you nuke me low and regen, is what makes bards > casters.

Although the whole running out of range depends on where you fight, and in a duel isn't likely to happen since the logical place to fight is the arena.

Spyder001
01-13-2003, 10:53 AM
Takes a full tick to take snare down, you can land 1 blast on them at least. Usually you can land 2, because most bards are SHOCKED when snare lands, and seem to not know what to do for a couple seconds.

tinsi
02-23-2003, 03:06 PM
You're assuming you have mana left at all after the bard ran in circles around you while debuffing you completely and draining all your mana.

Duel bards? no thanks :)

Aluaeia
02-24-2003, 08:18 AM
Between dispel, haste and resist songs, bards are pure evil in pvp.

On average, your best bet is to cast hand of ro and then nuke fast and hard.

TeriMoon
02-24-2003, 06:15 PM
dual = pertaining to two, as is dual wield (using a weapon in both {two} hands).


duel = altercation between parties to settle a dispute.

Eyeds
02-26-2003, 01:58 AM
The only way I have found to beat a bard
First right clickies you need at least 3
Second Dot him he will dispell it along with most of his buffs and start dispelling you SPAM CLICKIES
Stack Regen and NR
Stack as many DSs as you can dont let him mellee
Nuke Hard
also snare helps he will dispell killing more buffs
If he wants to hit you let him he will die fast that way
keep up DS at all costs
You loose DS your dead you loose regen your dead
8th ring
jboots
self coat spell
are good fakes
If he sucks you dry before you can nuke him down just keep DS up till he quits

MellenFC
03-01-2003, 08:40 AM
how many effects does bard dispell take care of? Maybe if you got a see invis bracer and the CoD quest bangle you could keep two insta clicks up on them (not sure if there are rules in areana's to prevent this) so they can't dispell themselves... if you're really lucky they might have planned to have a couple of the first buff slots open and you might actually land in some dots behind their actual buffs.

AmonraSet
03-01-2003, 10:46 AM
I dont give you very good odds of landing any kind of spells on a bard. With their resist songs they should be on around 350+ to all resists making it almost impossible to land a snare or dot, and nukes will be fully or partially resisted.

Bards dont really have any self buffs to speak of, so it doesnt cause them a problem to be dispelling themselves to remove any dots that do happen to get through their resists.

Best way to survive a duel with a well played bard is not to fight them