Hi all, thought I would bring this up for discussion and see what you all think.

Mana Regen

1. KEI 14 / tick
2. Chorus or replenishment 13/ tick
3. Mask of the Stalker 3/tick
4. Lunar Whispers 2/tick
5. Spirtual Purity 3/tick
6. Form of the Howler 2/tick (Outdoor)
7. FT items 15 / tick
8. Mental Clarity III 3/tick

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I have this correct at level 60 we can regen 45 mana per tick standing outdoors with all of the above.

I can't remember what sitting mana regen per tick is. If someone would be kind enough to add sitting and standing regen.

The above numbers were pulled from Lucy's.

Kinda nice if ya can get it :)

Are you sure all of those stack? Like form of the howler and the mask spells? It would be nice indeed if we could get all of that regen, though.......

Brendell, Druid of the 56th Season
Warlords of Wrath
Rodcet Nife Server

Not sure about mask and form, you may be right about those 2.

Mask and form of the howler won't stack (unless there is an exploit).

Mask and Form won't stack.

Where's Cabbage? 6 regen.

They also said at Fan Faire that the mana regening effect items counted in the 15 max for FT even if they werent FT - ie. Lunar Whispers and Shawl so that comes off the list.

The Shawl isn't on the list that I can see. The effect is Zephyr of Brell (worn), and is subsumed in the FT 15 cap.

Is Lunar Whispers a worn effect or a click effect?

From the Fan Faire transcript on Casters Realm - shawl was their example not mine - and yeah thats total BS. I was just using it as an example as a FT item that isnt a FT item.

eq.crgaming.com/viewartic...ticle=4451 (http://eq.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=4451)


What is the maximum flowing thought cap?

15. This includes all items that provide inherent mana regeneration, not just those labeled “Flowing Thought.” (e.g. The 8th Shawl)

Whispers is a click effect and can't believe I forgot PotG/C.

Does mental clarity3 count towards the FT total? That would really suck for those out there than can achieve the FT total and put points in this.

No, mental clarity does not count towards ft 15 :)

All innate item effects with mana regen does though.

In the most recent patch They made lunar whispers and Kodiak's Heightened Focus stack with potc/blessed. But those 2 still don't stack with each other =/

Aludair Autumnwynd
60 druid
Furys-Edge on Morell-Thule

So it looks like we have:

1. KEI = 14 / tick
2. Chorus/replenishment = 13/ tick
3. Cabbage/Glades = 6/ tick
4. Mask of the Hunter/Stalker = 3/tick
5. Lunar Whispers/KHF = 2/tick
6. Spirtual Purity = 3/tick
7. FT items = 15 / tick
8. Mental Clarity III = 3/tick

Correct?

Does anyone know standing vs. sitting mana regen?

And yes it looks like where we are today for mana regen spells, skills and items. 59 regen per tick if I count properly.

Thanks for everyone's help.

59 mana/tick, standing

Unbuffed, no items, effects, AAs, songs, etc:

Standing mana regen = 1 mana/tick
Sitting mana regen (@ 252 med skill) = 21 mana/tick

So at max med skill, sitting gains you 20 mana/tick, since all the other buffs/items/effects we're discussing here work whether sitting or standing.

Tat

"Correct?"

Nearly!


5. Lunar Whispers/KHF = 2/tick

Lunar Whispers is 2, yes.
Koadic's Heightened Focus is a much more pleasing 5. ^_^

Innate mana regeneration is also 1/tick.


1. KEI = 14 / tick
2. Chorus/replenishment = 13/ tick
3. Cabbage/Glades = 6/ tick
4. Mask of the Hunter/Stalker = 3/tick
5. KHF = 5/tick
6. Spiritual Purity = 3/tick
7. FT items = 15 / tick
8. Mental Clarity III = 3/tick
9. Innate regeneration = 1/tick
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63 mana/tick

Also, Cassandra's Chorus of Clarity (level 32 bard-song) can add 7/tick, but it is a Singing skill. If the bard is wearing a cloak from Shei Vinitras, and/or has the relevant AAs, this figure can reach very significant values.

However, 63 mana/tick is "standard raiding" mana regeneration once you've hit the ceiling.

Don't neglect Boon of Recovery: 150 Rune + 2 mana/tick, from Shei Vinitras' Shadowed Storm Sphere - the bane of the Akhevan Ruins and banisher of Aten v1! It doesn't stack with Spiritual Purity, though. You might want to look into the Dark Mace of Thought, too - whilst not mana regeneration as such, it certainly is very amusing. ^_^


Toodlepip,

Rebecca

Spiritual Purity is 7pt / tick.

Does KHF count as FT 5?

Good lord Lotusfly what do you do with 63 mana a tick. Besides anything you want of course. Too bad there's a FT cap or you'd have 66/tick huh.

I'm still just pumped from Form of the Howler. Woot breeze! I'm such a newbie, hehe.

Tuladen Silverthorn
Master Newb

you can never have too much mana regen!

As the proud owner of a Dark Mace of Thought, that weapon owns - get a focus or garou for dex; vog + haste shield for speed = watch the procs fly

Never worry about going oom in Seb with this mace

Spiritual Purity changed to +7 mana/tick literally just now, and that's not live yet. ;P

p.s. I'm with Bekken, and would rate the Dark Mace as one of the best druidic items out there. It doesn't get a lot of attention, which is surprising. It's really rather fab. ^_))


Toodlepip,

If you want to get even sicker about it, find a necro friend. I don't recall how much mana they can pump but it's not insignificant.

-Danel Greymist
Tunare

I'd mentioned modrods too, but we'd be getting too far off the point~

1. KEI = 14 / tick
2. Chorus/replenishment = 13/ tick
3. Cabbage/Glades = 6/ tick
4. Mask of the Hunter/Stalker = 3/tick
5. KHF = 5/tick
6. Spiritual Purity = 7/tick
7. FT items = 15 / tick
8. Mental Clarity III = 3/tick
9. Innate regeneration = 1/tick
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Okay, but here's the question: How does bard instruments and AAs affect #2? I've never understood how bard songs are affected... And isn't this not the best bard mana regeneration song, but rather just the one used the most because it is AE for all groups and does hp as well?

"Also, Cassandra's Chorus of Clarity...."

It's really called "Cassandra's"? I know some/one bard song(s) are "Cassindra's"...but if it's really named "Cassandra", I will be elated =)

<-- name real is Cassandra =D
/hug Rebecca

Bard instruments affect songs by increasing the effect of the song by the instrument modifier. If I remember right, store bought (generic) has a 0.8 mod. Only goes up from there.

As far as I know anymore, only the instrument mastery AA will affect Chorus/Cantata lines. Singing Mastery AA and the level 30 song Amplification will affect the Chorus of Clarity's mana output.

Puretone also affects all bardsongs (1.8 mod), but the 72 minute refresh makes it not worth factoring in for average everyday use.

IM3 and SM3 will add an additional .6 mod, so a naked bard with both already has a 1.6 mod to his songs. This is increased if he picks up an instrument or his epic. Once he picks up his epic (0.8 mod) he has a 2.4 mod to his song strength.

Also Chorus of Clarity stacks with the Cantatas. So in raid situations with multiple bards, bard 1 could be doing "AE Mana" and the bard in your group can sing Chorus of Clarity for even more mana regen.


I may be off on a few of these mod numbers. I never was the best with math, but I can say, having played a bard, the basic gist of what I'm saying is true (that being that instruments and AAs can double the regen effects of songs).

We're all forgetting about outdoor horses w/ models off.

That adds a lot.

I thought with bard epic, and such to effect songs it DRAMATICLY effect the bard mana regen spell effect. Someone told me it gets near 30mana/tick itself.

Well the new PoP stuff makes much of this understated now.

Chorus of Marr is 20/tick (64 Bard)
New Mask is 5/tick (65 Druid).
New PoTN is 8/tick (63/65 Druid).
Voice of Quellious is 18/tick (65 Enchanter).
Spiritual Dominion is 9/tick (64 Beastlord).

The bard one might get enhanced by epic as the previous poster noted.

What about the clarity potion? Does it stack?

Mask of the Forest is 4/tick, not 5.

The shaman potion ( lucy.fnord.net/spell.html...ource=Live (http://lucy.fnord.net/spell.html?id=2849&source=Live) ) adds 3/tick, and stacks with everything except Mind Wrack and the less powerful Concentration potion.

Bards affect their songs differently, so it's not always a straight 13/tick or 20/tick, etc. Sometimes the bard mana regen values go really high =) Don't forget they add hp regen too - I had a bard in my group singing that with all of us pretty low health while we were resting and it seemed like we all had a small Celestial Healing spell on us =)