Okie So im curious as I dont have this spell yet. Does anyone currently have this spell and or use it? If so what is the lvl restriction, charm duration and so forth. Their are many rumors circulating about this spell and I really dont wanna get to excited over it until I know the facts.....

Oakendale ForestWalker

I think we are all holding our breath on this spell.

I'm pretty sure this is a straight upgrade to Call of Karana, but I don't know exactly what the level limit is.

I just got this spell. i am heading to PoV or PoN to try it out. Will post back with details.

check out WW and see if it works on iceburrowers. :)

some ravens were too high to be charmed before with CoK...

everything was charmable with CoT. still broke like every minute or two though. havent had a chance to check many other zones. I did go charm some frogs in PoV for fun, but with the charm breaking every couple minutes and me gettin nailed for 400+ kinda sucked.

Ill check WW later and report back.

So that 3 hour time limit that was posted on this spell is highly likely to be bogus.
I wish they would upgrade Dire Charm. at lvl 65, animals that can be DC'd will likely be green. What use is that? They should come up with a upgrade DC (2nd tier) and max it at like 55 or something.
Or reimburse us stupid druids who wasted the 9 aa points (that could have been put to better use)

Looking forward to your report Kallamon.

I agree it would be great if the level of charmable pets for DC rose with your level above 60. So at 65, you could DC an animal that was level 50. I also think they should upgrade Mage epic pet to follow this level progression considering the difficultly of the quest. Mage epic pet is.. 49/50(?) so at the Mage at 65 would have a level 55 pet. Would definately maintain/enhance the value of Mage epic.

I think we have to consider DC animal pet as extra damage within groups, not a soloing tool that it could have been at 59/60. It wouldn't be too dissimilar to the lvl 55 shaman pet via spell I suppose.

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Kenuon Windrunner

From what Ive read from the druid who has this - seems CoT still breaks every min or 2 which imo deems it useless since cok does the same thing / <sighs> I knew I shouldnt have gotten to excited over this........


Oakendale ForestWalker
<bitter again>
Druid

on second thoughts.. given the fact that Verant have been rather nerf happy of late, don't post info here.

move along nothing to see...

I dont understand why ppl are confused with this spell. The 3 hour timer is the max value but its a variable. This spell has only one difference from CoK imo .. it increases the level of the mobs we can charm. And that is all it should be doing. CoK is an awesome spell, you just have to learn how to use it effectively.

I am interested in knowing what this new level is. For example take the Death Knight in PoN. Hes surrounded by horses with flaming feet ... my guildmate (65 chanter) can charm these using normal charm spell he gets at 64. I would like druids to be able to charm these with CoT. And yes these are regarded as animals .. I have confirmed this myself.

Additionally we might be able to charm frogs in PoV, and the bears etc in PoV (althought if these summon we might be stuffed).

Basically I dinged 64 tonight. Now PoN is all light-blue to me. I wish to go to PoV or PoS and solo these but withouth CoT its not possible. Druid Charm technique is one of our most powerfull tools. I hope this spell reflects this and gives us the same lvl of charm capability as the chanters spells in regards to animals. I know I would like to have a horse that quads for 555!

So I eagerly await any info regarding the level limit for this spell.

I was in PoS and charming bears with CoT. Frogs are charmable in PoV.

Ice burrowers are still too high to be charmed even with CoT although they are quad kitable now =)

This spell is not as good as I would have liked it to be. For a whopping 420 mana the charm lasts about 1-2 minutes max on these high lvl mobs and if you can't snare your charm target (lots of frogs are unsnarable now)... then you are in for a world of hurt or a long day of egressing.

This spell, I find, is very useful for those trains that ppl like to pull on you when you are camping spiders in PoN and you get a train of wolves and fishmen on you. But besides that, I really havent experienced much fun with this spell.

Damn, I've just started tooling with the whole charm thing.

I was hopeing this spell was going to be a real advantage especially with the random break in your charms :mad:

So really it sounds like a short duration charm for 53+ level animals.

Are those alligators in PoN charmable with this? I'd assume so, i know they are too high for CoK. They summon but at least they're snareable :p

Your mileage may vary.

I've had 600-hitting pets, hasted, doing 550+ dps with this spell, with the charm lasting fifteen minutes at a time, before. Charm duration is <em>exceptionally</em> dependant upon the MR debuffs upon the creature. You can make the spell very reliable using only Glamour of Tunare. Using Howl of Tashinia, and/or Malosinia, and the charm can last... absolutely ages, reliably.

I would advise that druids go out and experiment for themselves. This spell will make you happy.


Toodlepip,

Rebecca
The Lucky Cabbage

Kallamon, your Magelo link returns a Rogue named Baldwin. Was that intentional?

I've been playing a lot with this spell over the last couple of days and have discovered that the duration is very short. I've had charm last maximum 3 minutes.

I hunt in PoS with this spell charming frogs. I cast ensnare/glamour of tunare/command of tunare in that order. Lotusfly is correct in saying that the duration depends heavily on the MR debuffs you land on the mob before casting CoT. I wasn't towing an enchanter with me but now I think I might just do that to see if Tashing the mob aswell as casting Glamour will help.

In my opinion this spell beats DC/CoK by a long shot due to the actual level of mob that you can charm. Although using this spell can be an extremely frustrating experience I think that, for me personally, the rewards are worth the hassle.

Its definatly a shorter duriation than 3 hours though :)

I tend to find providing i use glamor on the mob prior to charming the charm can range from 3mins to as lotus says around 15-20mins at most.

What you need to watch though is that these pets are going to be high level and hit very hard when you have hasted them.

The best combo ive had so far is a chanter, druid and cleric works very well as both the chanter and druid can charm and the cleric can sort out the healing on both pets or players.

What you must watch though is getting a charmed pet that summons. These are almost certain death with the very slow recharm cast on the spell when the mob is hittign you for over 300s a go hasted.

Tils

whats the level limit on this spell? Just picked it up in the bazaar, and will it work on the big bats in PoN?

I was charming a hurricane lorok in PoS... and even with GoT, he would break charm every 20sec... I have yet to get Command of Tunare to last an entire fight, and in about 20 CoT casts, I have only killed 2 mobs (only tried this in PoS thusfar)

Some loroks seem to be more resistant than others. If one seems to break charm every minute or to, go get another one. About half the time I get a pet that lasts 5 minutes or longer on average with just glamour.

With using ensnare and Glamour seems charm avg about 7 mins for me. Max would be i think near 20 mins tho i rather break charm when getting close to 10 mins. i hate unsnared hasted things that hit me for 600+.

Seems to me that glamour makes a huge difference yeah. Also been teaming up with a mage who was casting malosinia or whatever spell they get 60+ :) and charm seem to last even more then avg.

- Mol

If you sent a frog at once of the forest giants, sometimes he'll malosini it for you. :)

Can you charm the gators in PoN?

yeah, you can charm gators, but the ghastly bats are your best bet in PoN. They dont summon unlike the gators, and with glamour ive had some charms last 20 minutes..I just dinged 63 the night before the patch on the 4th, but Ive had nothing but success with Command of Tunare thus far

SERIOUSLY looking for this spell on Veeshan. If you got it tell me what you want for it.

Ghastly bats? Where do you find these?
I haven't hunted in PoN in a month or so, but I don't remember seeing these on tracking...

Well I listened to the advise here and bought COT. Best money I have spent so far...

Bottom line if you liked charm killing before this spell is well worth it. If you didn't like the downside to charming, this spell is not going to convert you over. All it does is increase the level of the mob you can charm (which is a big deal for us charm solo'ers).

I actually emptied my bank account and got this and I can assure you it was worth every penny.

I really dont care if I ever see another spectral level spell again :)

I have had charm last so long that group members thought they were DCed pets. I dont even have DC *snicker*

Sadly druids got the worst of the lot for charms in PoP. Capping at 60 means we get to watch the enchanter charm the warboars in Tactics and outdamage the entire rest of the party while they're too high for us to charm. Don't bother trying to charm the ravens there... they're not even animals. And thanks to the zone getting made indoors suddenly we have to rely on the enchanter or cleric for pacification as harmony no long works. Same with Halls of Honour, the Wrulon are at least flagged as animals but they're exclusivly for enchanters to play with, no druids allowed. And PoS, again, the majority of the frog types are too high to charm and exclusivly for enchanters/bards. BoT there is 1 dog which is rare spawn, drops loot so you may as well kill it anyway and probably too high to charm regardless, there isn't even dire charm bait for druids in this zone, but magicians like to run around soloing everything with their high level cap summon-only charm.

Now, I'm not saying Command of Tunare is bad, but compared to Necro, Magician, Bard and Enchanter charm, it's a pile of steaming dog turds.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And PoS, again, the majority of the frog types are too high to charm and exclusivly for enchanters/bards.[/quote]

Which frogs? I've been charming the ones in the forest for over a week and have never had any problems charming any of the ones I've pulled.

the little frogs at the zone in are too high, but the loks are all charmable.

i can charm any of the boars in Tactics with Command of Tunare, so i'm not too sure what the post 2 slots ahead of me is talking about.

the DSP is incredible and it's my favorote place to solo right now.

<strong>Which frogs? I've been charming the ones in the forest for over a week and have never had any problems charming any of the ones I've pulled. </strong>

Little ones by the entrance are too high to charm. The ones by the BoT funnel I though were too high to charm before but are now level 60 so should be charmable if not immune. Bears used to be too high, not sure about now.

<strong>i can charm any of the boars in Tactics with Command of Tunare, so i'm not too sure what the post 2 slots ahead of me is talking about.

the DSP is incredible and it's my favorote place to solo right now.</strong>

You have the very special enchanter version of Command of Tunare. ALL pit warboars are level 63. All stampeding boars are 65 except the piglet which is I think 63. The enraged warboar is 63 or 64. The diaku boars aren't even flagged as animals. Only the decorus boars (5:cool: and fledgeling boars (55) and the little green con dire charm baits are druid charmable in and around the pit area which make up the vast minority of boars. You certainly can't charm even a quarter of the boars let alone half if you're a druid.

hello L1ndara,

first of all yes i am a druid and secondly i'm very serious, i do charm boars in the pit area of tactics.

i uses Command of Tunare on Decorus Boars, Daiku Boars and War Boars. the ones i'm talking about are in the pig pen within the left tunnel of the pit.

on my server RZ is killed frequently, which despawns the whole pit area for quite awhile (i want to say a week).

if you want to give me your e-mail i'll send you screen shots, i have no reason to lie about it.

it's a great spot to solo, check into it on your server.

thank you,

Has anyone else tried CoT on these supposedly charmable boars in the PoTactics pit? It would sure be nice to hear there is someplace else to use the spell besides the lorok over-camp.

Confirmed the only boars in Tactics you can charm are the ones in the tunnel to the left in the pig pen. Nothing that regularly spawns in the pit can be charmed. Those other boars are pretty low level.

It's very disheartening that we have basically 1 mob in PoP that's useful to charm with CoT.

I have charmed both War boars and Daiku boars in Tactics and they lev 63-64

<strong>i uses Command of Tunare on Decorus Boars, Daiku Boars and War Boars. the ones i'm talking about are in the pig pen within the left tunnel of the pit.</strong>

Ah yeah, there are some gimpy war boars as rarer spawns in the pens that can be charmed. They get raped by the over 60 mobs in the pit though even with haste (except by the wraiths which are also sub 60.) The diaku boars I've seen aren't flagged as animals. There are also fledgeling boars in the pens that I think can be charmed but they're reaaaally bad. The warboars that spawn in the pit are 63.

I just got flagged for Tactics. Can any of you CoT druids who have solo'd in the pit/boar pen tell me how you go about it. There seem to be an awful lot of Raiders and other mobs there. Without Harmony (i.e., since indoors) seems pulling would be mighty difficult.

ANy advice appreciated. Thanks.

How do you pull the war boars or other boars from the pens without aggroing all the other mobs in that area? Without harmony in there I have found it just about impossible. Can you detail the tactic used pls. Thanks.

<strong>I have charmed both War boars and Daiku boars in Tactics and they lev 63-64</strong>


Only if you're a chanter. SOE has confirmed that the cap on CoT and the other specialist charm spells is 60.

Hey guys and gals :) Just to throw in my two cents here. CoT works awesome on the level 60 frogs in the forest side where the forest giants are in PoS. Picture this...lvl 60 frog with 20k hps that triples for 636 and bashes and dots! IN 65 it equals to 2 percent of regular exp per kill and a lil over 2 blues of aa per kill! The frogs i am talking about are called Typhoon and Hurricane Loroks. The Typhoons are tanks,triple hit for 636, bash and dot.The Hurricane Loroks are rogues, double for 500's and backstab for 300's.I hope this info helps.

Any other animals in PoS that do not summon besides the frogs in forest?

are the armadillo's flagged as animals?

Racmoor

Loroks are the only pet worth getting, any other animal either summons, or has @#%$ for DPS because it chain casts crappy spells.

Yes, the armadillos are animals. They fall under the "summons your @#%$ when charm breaks" category.

Here's a silly question/comment. Does charisma have any effect on the duration if our charms? Though only 57, I have been charm killing for almost 10 levels now and though my charisma is low, if indeed it would help a little with charm breaking/sticking, I may look into swapping out a bit of mana for charisma. If you don't have to cast CoK or CoT as much, you don't burn through as much mana negating the need for the little bit of extra mana you'd burn by increasing yor charisma.

I have three questions that do not appear to have any discussion in this thread, so far. If this is redundant and discussed elsewhere, my apologies.

(1) If we have landed Glamour of Tunare before charming a mob with CoT, and if Howl of Tashinia and/or Malosinia have been landed pre-charm, do those MR debuffs go poof when the mob breaks charm, or do they last for their normal duration and not have to be recast before recharming the pet?

(2) Do all of the above named debuffs stack if you have a group that can land more than one before you cast CoT?

(3) I just got CoT last night and have not had a chance to test it out yet. I just noticed (after cleaning out my bank acct to buy CoT.... :( ), that the cast time on CoT is 8 seconds, compared to the cast time of 5 seconds on CoK. Have you folks with experience in using CoT found that the casting time, coupled with its range to target limitations, makes recharming a pet pretty problematic?

Thanks much to anyone chosing to respond to any of the above.

The debuffs last their normal duration. It's a good idea to have everyone recast their debuffs each time charm breaks.

As for the 8 second cast time, it's painful. You need a decent amount of running room even with a snared mob (forget about unsnared), and the mob you are charming will come very close to you before charm lands. Some things help though...an extended range IV item, any spell haste that you can get (including the cleric spell version, which stacks with spell haste from an item). Extended range IV alone makes it much more comfortable for me.

Glamour of Tunare and the tash line do not stack. The malosini line does stack with either tash or glamour though.

Its uasely a good idea to cast any debufs on the pet again before u recharm. But dont forget u can use..
/pet report health
To see what bufs, are active on pet.

LR5 can help in those cases where you think you're gonna land CoT but you just miss it.

BoR from a cleric makes it much easier. Obviously ER4 and SH4 foci will make it trivial.

In general, make sure you are oor before casting and then do the quadding technique of clicking until spell starts casting. 8 seconds is plenty to make sure it lands on a snared pet.

Each time charm breaks, re-snare and re-glamour...then recharm. If charm has lasted a few fights, or if you are duoing or trioing a "hard' summoning mob...resnare/reglamour/recharm before pull.

It's really not too hard once you figure it all out. Oh, and of course, you WILL die on occasion, at least in PoP where the spell is most useful. Nothing like a dual wielding, 600 hitting hasted buffed pet to get you dead quick. Again, LR5 comes in handy here. SotW is nice too, so in case you fall below 20 percent health, you can sotw it back up before exodus or egress. That way ya don't lose your buffs.