Any word or ideas where this drops yet?
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Waddlin
61 Dru on Q

Will most likely be vendor sold in SH or PoK when it goes in, which it doesn't seem to have done yet.

Rumor on the Beastlord boards is that all of the new spells are going to be quested and not dropped or sold. We'll just have to wait and see. ;)

lucy.fnord.net/spell.html...ource=Test (http://lucy.fnord.net/spell.html?id=3695&source=Test)
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Vendor sold = no
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It is on the live list....please post if you have any information
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Waddlin
61 Dru on Q

Vendor Sold just means if its deletable from the spell book or not. Has nothing too do with it being sold from a vendor or not.

Uhh...any spell is deletable...vendor sold in fact does mean wether its sold at vendor or not.

Yeah that is what common sense would imply.....but then you have to remember we are talking about SoE...I didn't know what Tremblant was talking about either...but I looked it up and guess what....
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lucy.fnord.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42 (http://lucy.fnord.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42)
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So maybe it is a quest...
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Waddlin
61 Dru on Q

Unless SoE changed it recently, not all spells are deleteable.

Oh, and unless
<a href="http://lucy.fnord.net/spell.html?id=2520&source=Live" target="top">Natures Recovery</a>
and
<a href="http://lucy.fnord.net/spell.html?id=1442&source=Live" target="top">Protection of the Glades</a>
Became buyable from a vendor in recent history, Vendor = Yes, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SOLD FROM A VENDOR.

Personally, I doubt Zepher would be a quest spell. Will probobly see it in Shadow Haven vendor when it does live. Same for Pure Blood.

I avidly follow lucy, and I have yet to see the purpose of the vendor sold tag. Seems more random than anything. Anyway the new spells, I would bet, are NOT live. They were merely put in the spdat for future use. No clue why though.

Well they are announcing something on the 15th. Nah couldnt be, could it?

Waddlin, you're wrong.

I am confused.

Seen the "vendor sold = deletable" discussion many times, and you'd think that the person running Lucy would just reword it to avoid further confusion :)

Haha what exactly am I wrong about foxfire? I posted a link to Lucy's website. Some other guy said it was a quest....I said he might be right. Would you care to elaborate on that one??
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Waddlin
61 Dru on Q

You can twirl your finger all you want. That particular field if = yes means "can be deleted" in the real database, not sold by a merchant.

From PATCH MESSAGE, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">Deleting Spells from Spellbook: Storebought spells can be deleted from your spellbook. To delete a spell just right-click it to highlight it and tap the DELETE key. Please note: This does not convert the spell back into a... </blockquote>

Now I know a dove is a pidgeon but a pidgeon is not a dove, but COME ON.

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">That particular field if = yes means "can be deleted" in the real database, not sold by a merchant.</blockquote>

SOE says that vendor spells are deleteable. Implys that deleteable spells are storebought. Why would one think differently?

BUT, there are spells which are not storebought that are marked 'vendor'. Which would mean they are deleteable(sucks for you).

Yes, I know deleteable is not a real word.

Who cares. The spell sucks. Like minus 30 CR is going to make a diff. They can take their spell and their quest and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Seems like I've read that the vendor flag set on a spell doesn't mean it's a vendor sold spell but determines wether or not it will be displayed in the wares list for purchase if the spell is sold by a player to a vendor.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Seems like I've read that the vendor flag set on a spell doesn't mean it's a vendor sold spell but determines wether or not it will be displayed in the wares list for purchase if the spell is sold by a player to a vendor. [/quote] polzevog, that's the most reasonable explanation I've seen yet.

~Firemynd

That ain't it. As reasonable as it sounds, it is not the reason for the flag.

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">Why would one think differently?</blockquote>

Because it's Lucy damned wording that makes people think it's "vendor-sold." Just look at all the confusion surrounding the yes/no flag. Your average person stumbles onto Lucy and may not be aware of what "vendor" means.

What is the reason for the flag?

If NR and PotG(or any dropped spell) are deleteable from the spell book as you said they are, something is amiss(which as pointed out, could be).

I already said what the flag was, and it doesn't mean "spell that is sold by a merchant." And I never said which ones were deletable. Some spells that are dropped are deletable because they are common fodder.

Cool, I never saw the update to the Sept 9th Patch is all.

Thanks for the heads up.

Well you see Foxfire...if you had actually read my post and the link that had corresponded to it, you would have read that the vendor tag does mean the spell can be deleted and that the flag has nothing to do with whether it is sold or not.
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Which is what Tremblant said before my post, and what the other people and you were saying after my post.
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You will also learn, that it is not Lucy's text or naming idea to call that flag "vendor" -- it's SoE's.
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Sorry you misunderstood my post.

How about this:

The "vendor" flag indicates whether the spell can be deleted.

In almost all cases, a spell can be deleted if and only if it is a store bought spell.

The exceptions are likely unintentional...we've seen how many oversights there have been with spell data. Hundreds of spells appear to be correctly flagged consistently, and only two exceptions have been found so far. This suggests a strong (but not 100%) correlation. Admittedly, the quote from the Sept. 4 patch message says nothing about whether spells that are not store bought should be able to be deleted...

So, if a spell has the "vendor" flag set, it can definitely be deleted, and will likely (but not definitely) be available as a store bought spell.

Of course, the flag may be changed before the spells go live, as they did with PoP spells...

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">You will also learn, that it is not Lucy's text or naming idea to call that flag "vendor" -- it's SoE's.
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Sorry you misunderstood my post.</blockquote>

I didn't, and you're still wrong. It's not SOE's naming convention, it's Lucy's. I know this because a dev told the beta testers what it was. Kkthxlabye~