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Kaidian Blade
10-23-2002, 05:01 AM
Found this spell listed in the database over on Caster's Realm. Looks like it went live with this morning's patch.
Name: Harmony of Nature
Level: 29
Mana: 100
Class: Abjuration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Great Library - Plane of Knowledge
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Area Effect Crowd Control
Max Duration: 2 minutes
Casting Time: 2.5 seconds
Recast Time: 3 seconds
Actual Effects: Area Effect: Reduce Reaction Range
Description: This is an upgrade to the Harmony spell.
It has a higher Level cap than the base Harmony spell.
It is unknown at this time what it's Level cap is however.
This spell works in the outdoors only, and has quite a wide area of effect.
BriennaMonk
10-23-2002, 05:27 AM
Wonder if it is actually on the vendor?
Oh, and notice that they nerf harmony, which effects everyone, but put the new spell on a PoP vendor. Scroll is probably nodrop like the others too :(
CountessKrak
10-23-2002, 06:46 AM
Could someone please tell me WHICH vendor this is on. It is NOT on ANY of the Druid vendors nor on any of the Ranger vendors in Plane of Knowledge.
Jarre Riverleaf
10-23-2002, 06:52 AM
"Ahh but the data for it exists so stop complaining you whiny druish wankers"
this post brougth to you by the mentality that nurfed it in the first place.
(im one of the people pissed about it, I used harmony almost every day I logged on)
Bam102465
10-23-2002, 10:00 AM
Anybody know where to get it?
CountessKrak
10-23-2002, 05:33 PM
Going back to playing Icewind Dale 2. Be back in a month or so when Verant finally gives us what they promised.
Bam102465
10-23-2002, 06:48 PM
I looked on the vendor in PoK and he didn't have it. What gives?
Galamar
10-24-2002, 03:17 AM
Heh heh. They nerf every druid 40 and above, then they put the spell only in PoP? Cute way of forcing one of the most numerous classes to buy the expansion, or a way to piss a whole lot of people off.
Batou062671
10-24-2002, 06:08 AM
What gives is that the spell hasn't gone fully live yet. Just because a spell or effect is in the game does not mean that there is a scroll for it. Same thing happened with the protection of cabbage quest.
Bam102465
10-24-2002, 06:43 AM
They said it was.
ToebiterBB
10-24-2002, 09:06 AM
>> Heh heh. They nerf every druid 40 and above, then they put the spell only in PoP? Cute way of forcing one of the most numerous classes to buy the expansion, or a way to piss a whole lot of people off.
This again reinforces the opinion that Verant only cares about money, not about players. As long as you keep paying, they keep not caring.
MoonDancer
10-24-2002, 09:29 AM
did anyone check the regular druid vendors in old world for this spell. seems like this is a balancing for all druids not just PoP enabled ones.
-MoonDancer
Navar Mistwolf
10-24-2002, 10:19 AM
Good point Moondancer. Everyone is complaining about it being a PoP spell only but no one has found it. It could be on the surefall vendors or any other vendor for all we know right now. Just relax and play the <em>game</em>.
tortiebear
10-24-2002, 08:33 PM
BUT...does the old lev 5 harmony still work on the same mobs as it did before?
Tulwain
10-24-2002, 11:00 PM
I've checked all druid/ranger spell vendors and some other vendors in PoK, SFG, Misty, Rivervale, Kelethin, Steamfont, NK gypsies, WL, Shadow Haven, and Tranquility. No luck. From talking with other druids, I believe that all known druid/ranger spell vendors have been hit at least once. If it's on a vendor, it is probably some out of the way (or new), unexpected merchant. More likely it is either quested, or not actually available on live servers yet.
The level 5 harmony will still work on mobs below level 40.
ArienneDileas
10-25-2002, 11:03 AM
"This again reinforces the opinion that Verant only cares about money, not about players. As long as you keep paying, they keep not caring."
Don't EVER forget that VI is a BUSINESS. VI doesn't make this game for you out of the goodness of their hearts... they make it for the almighty dollar! The best way for them to make money is to sell the game and it's monthly access. If they disappoint enough so that they begin to lose revenue, they will either change the game, try a new marketing plan or let it slide in hopes of increasing revenues in another area.
The raid feature and added levels does FAR more than the lack of any spell does to offer incentive to buy PoP. I believe that the spells available in PoP are dropable and thus could be carried to the "old world".
Also, rumor is that it hasn't gone live yet anyway :)
Fenmarel
10-26-2002, 12:42 PM
Just because they are a business doesn't mean that what they are doing is right. You could even argue that what they did was unethical or at the very least stupid. A key element for any business is to develope trust with thier customer. What Sony did to us has seriously shaken my trust in them. Since money is the symbol of trust in this capitalist environment wich I support. It time we vote with our wallets and send Sony the message that if they insist on treating thier costumers like this we will no longer be sending our trust to them.
Tiane
10-26-2002, 02:37 PM
The issue of trust with SOE is a serious one, though they may not realize it yet. Over the years its had its ups and downs, but I dont know anyone who would ever buy another mmorpg from Sony/Verant, with the possible exception of SWG since thats on the other coast, but even then my friends are hesitant.
The only thing saving EQ now, and still, is the lack of alternatives. If the marketplace had more choice, they wouldnt be able to get away with treating their customers the way they do. As it is, at any one time so far we've had 2 or 3 alternatives, tops, and not very good ones imho.
So goes EQ, the game I love, run by people I dont trust. But dont think I'll be back after I move on.
Tia
CountessKrak
10-26-2002, 03:58 PM
The raid feature and added levels does FAR more than the lack of any spell does to offer incentive to buy PoP. I believe that the spells available in PoP are dropable and thus could be carried to the "old world".
Also, rumor is that it hasn't gone live yet anyway
1) The raid feature and all of the added Planes are 100 USELESS to me. I am a Druid. I solo. I dont belong to an uber guild who can go to these new Planes nor can 99% of you who read this. Therefore this update is a total rip-off to everyone except the 1% of the EQ paying customers who belong to an uber guild. I am totally disgusted by this.
2) How can this not have gone live. If the nerf went live then the new spell also has to have gone live. Ifg it hasn't then that is an unforgiveable bug. Can anyone venture a theory as to why Verant had to nerf Harmony in the first place? HOw was it beign abused that it had to be nerfed?
3) As to the comments about business. The first rule of all businesses is to make the customer happy. You know, "the customer is always right". Verant seems to have no clue about this very basic business tenet.
Ishiro Takagi
10-27-2002, 06:05 PM
"1) The raid feature and all of the added Planes are 100 USELESS to me. I am a Druid. I solo. I dont belong to an uber guild who can go to these new Planes nor can 99% of you who read this. Therefore this update is a total rip-off to everyone except the 1% of the EQ paying customers who belong to an uber guild. I am totally disgusted by this."
Well, considering that I have seen druids and wizards soloing in the new planes, they aren't useless. And you don't have to be in an uber guild... 6 people, even with mini-CH from a druid or shaman, can do just fine in some of those zones.
Tiane
10-27-2002, 06:11 PM
Ishiro, you posted over on monkly that "There is a level 29 harmony spell sold in PoK" to refute my saying that it wasnt in the game. Well, spill it if you would, so that the bazillions of druids who havent managed to find it yet can go pick it up.
On the other hand if yer going by Castersrealm spell info, well, that has been and continues to be unreliable.
Tia
EQDuffy
10-28-2002, 10:12 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I am a Druid. I solo. I dont belong to an uber guild who can go to these new Planes nor can 99% of you who read this. [/quote]
Uh... There's plenty of content there that can be solo'd. And plenty that can be handled with a single group, meaning most of the posters here can benefit from the new hunting spot.
Mappy Sassenfrass
10-28-2002, 04:28 PM
This spell is for sale on the SH vendors.
Not PoP only.
Leave your conspiracy theories about Verant nerfing harmony to force you to buy PoP at the door please =)
Fenmarel
10-28-2002, 08:11 PM
So now that the new spell is out has anyone bothered to go test it? I tried it out on some Drolvargs in DL and it seamed to work nice. Out of 3 tries no resists. Great recast time. Mana cost is a little high but, I'm not sure how the cost compares with other classes Lulls. I think they should consider making it cost 25-50 mana instead. Particularly for the sake of Rangers who don't have as large a mana pool as Druids.
As for the PoP conspiracy they only got it half right. Since Harmony was an original Everquest Spell. Nature's Harmony should be available at every starting Druid/Ranger guild. Not only in SoL. Atleast its not No Drop. So if you know some poor Druid/Ranger without SoL who needs this spell help them out. I have a few questions that I hope some of you can answer.
How is the spell working for you?
Is it resisted alot?
What mobs have you tried it on and how does it perform?
How does it compare with other classes Lulls Cleric/Bard?
Does it aggro on resist?
Do you think Mana cost is too high considering the low cost of Old Harmony?
Finally to Sony. You are a business and must make money. But businesses do not work in a vacuum. Business need customers. You have dammage the Trust of many in this comunity. I hope that you will start today working on repairing this trust. We will conitnue to support you as long as you respect our value as your customers. Do this and we will have New Harmony.
Winlulu
10-29-2002, 02:26 AM
I tried it on some random mobs near Zin in PoI. Got the message that the mobs (2 were in range) was uneffected or something like that.
Lukko
10-29-2002, 05:13 AM
Tiane,
Attacking Ishiro for posting information on another class board, has nothing to do with the fact that he completely refuted your uninformed statement that soloing in PoP is not possible. You either a) didn't read his answer, or b) are too embarassed to admit you're arguing from ignorance.
You can solo in PoP, if that's what you really want to do.
Of course, the current problem are the kiters who are training the graveyards on a regular basis, but that's a flame thread for another day.
King Burgundy
10-29-2002, 05:30 AM
Where exactly in this thread did Tiane say that druids can't solo in PoP?
"You either a) didn't read his answer, or b) are too embarassed to admit you're arguing from ignorance."
Maybe you should apply this to yourself now? ;)
Karaethon II
10-29-2002, 08:45 AM
To try and get this back on track....
The spell Harmony of Nature is sold on the same guy in Shadow Haven that sells the protection line spells. 16pp. NO POP NEEDED.
I'm very happy with it. Got it, ran out to WW and cast it on one of the Sapara's (jen?) They're level 62...she resisted and came at me. I decided to go test it on Briana Treewhisper our 60 (?) guildmaster in NK. Cast it 25 times...no resists. I cast it on the nexus scion...resist, and she was pissed at me. ;p I cast it on myself twice with 180MR, resisted once, and landed once. I used it in a group in PoD pulling puslings. we were there for 4 or 5 hours, 0 resists.
Its 100 mana, and NOT ae, so you have to cast it on every mob near the one you want to pull. So if you want to grab 1 ou of 8, thats 800 mana. Kind of annoying per-pull but not that bad. And, it doesn't have the long recast as our old harmony.
So, as far as I can tell, the risk added is extremly minimal.
-Karaethon
63 Hierophant
Poison Arrow guild, Brell serilis server
Efgar
10-29-2002, 02:10 PM
Oh boy, gave this spell a try in eastern wastes on the dwarf camp. There was no resists on this spell which wasnt too bad. HOWEVER, I wasnt finished killing the one I pulled, to my surprise, the others that I harmonied aggroed on me the moment the spell wore off! Joy
The dwarf I was killing was quite a ways from the camp, so it had nothing to do with me being close to the others that were harmonied.
Tiane
10-29-2002, 03:57 PM
Lukko, huh? I asked him where it was, I said nothing about soloing. Was an honest question as he implied he knew where it was, then corrected himself. /shrug.
Perhaps you should hit that edit button again and figure out what it is you're trying to say.
Tia
Caell
10-31-2002, 04:51 PM
Just so you know:
Harmony of Nature
mana cost: 100
resist adjust: -10
max level: 65
Frenzy/Reaction radius: 15
compared with the best paladin/cleric/enc spell
Pacify
mana cost: 100
resist adjust: 0
max level: 55
Frenzy/Reaction radius: 1
or Wake of Tranquility, which is the same but 300 mana/max level 60, AE
Harmony still provides something that the Pacify line doesn't, namely higher level splitting with even less (and Pacify gets resisting about 1 time in 100 on blue cons, from my experience) chance of a resist. So I wouldn't worry that you've been completely overtaken by other classes.
Oh, and about 1/4 of the things in PoInnovation are flagged immune to pacify/harmony, which would be why you're getting immune messages.. the other Planes don't seem to have this so much.
Caell Celedran
Knight of Tunare
Grandmaster Potter
Terris-Thule
samanedruid
11-01-2002, 04:49 AM
found Harmony of nature on one of the ranger vendors in sh
Samane
Astaldo50
11-04-2002, 05:37 AM
I use this all the time in Halls of Honor. In about 20 hours there as the puller for the group it has never once been resisted. So with that being said I dont always have to have the perfect group to get great exp.
Astaldo
Clakar
11-04-2002, 06:16 AM
Does or Doesn't it cause aggro on a resist?
That is what I want to know.
Does it cause aggro on a mob that can be harmonied and resists?
Does it cause aggro on a mob that is immune to harmony?
Does it cause aggro on mobs that you have harmonied, after it wears off?
Astaldo50
11-04-2002, 10:03 AM
Clakar asks:
This is what I want to know.
Does it cause aggro on a mob that can be harmonied and resists?
Never had it resisted so far i will let you know when i do.
Does it cause aggro on a mob that is immune to harmony?
Again I have not seen it resisted period. I am not saying it cant be I am saying it hasnt been for me in 20ish hours pulling in HoH.
Does it cause aggro on mobs that you have harmonied, after it wears off?
Mobs are not agro when this wears off nor do I remeber seeing a message saying that it wore off.
I will update this as i do further testing I hope it helps.
Astaldo
Clakar
11-04-2002, 10:39 AM
Thank you
Information is power :)
L1ndara
11-04-2002, 01:02 PM
They change Harmony this way and then give it to clerics and enchanters. Clerics and enchanters get Wake of Tranquility which is a better version of our old Harmony that also works indoors, but is capped at level 60. Looks like the outdoor only HoN is capped at 65. Clerics, enchanters and paladins get an indoor version of HoN that is better except it caps at 55, Pacify. Then of course at 65 clerics get Pacification which works to 65, is indoorable and lasts 3 or 4 times as long as HoN. So it would seem clerics > druids for harmony.
I'm really not sure what they were trying to do when they changed Harmony. I haven't used HoN much, but it doesn't seem a whole lot different than Harmony other than the loss of the AE.
Stumps Mistrunner
11-23-2002, 07:54 PM
Harmony of nature is a wonderful, wonderful spell...I have 89 charisma, and ive never had a resist, even on yellow-con mobs...(i spent several hours tonight in PoN doing consorts with a group, was puller and only had 1 pull go wrong due to getting too close, not a resist). This spell is a godsend as far as Im concerned, very fast recast, and better range than harmony was, plus sticking on lev 61+ mobs very, very reliably makes this spell a keeper.
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