It seems to me all of our evac types of spells are leaving people behind a lot more often than they should be. A recent evac from fear left 2 people behind. A couple times I've just been porting some friends to emerald jungle and had to go back and port them again. I can understand that it should have a <strong><em>chance</em></strong> to fail but please.. at this point I'd almost rather use a full cast time port and take my chances with casting thru it. I don't use it much considering I have a crucible of escape and exodus (which has left ME behind a couple times) but when I do, it would be nice for it to work like it did before with a <strong><em>rare chance</em></strong>. I suppose I should test it to prove or disprove its happening too much but honestly I'm not a beta tester and I just wanna enjoy my playtime.

Happened to me a couple of times too. Is very annoying. Not sure if SOE intend to do that or is a bug or something. For evac spells like succor is kinda ok but for exodus and port spells is just plain stupid. I wish they could change it or give us an aa that reduce the chance that will happen etc..

Egress has left me behind a few times in the past 2 days.

Actually its not the problem with the evac spells. Its a group bug which means if you cast any group spells once its bugged it doesnt effect the bugged people.

Always cast a group spell before you cast an evac atm and check if it hits everyone.

The sooner they fix this bug the better. Its also im assuming part of the raid bug problem.


Tils

Succor left one behind yesterday -- this thread actually first popped up a few months ago with a fair chunk 'o druids chiming in that the odds of leaving somebody behind seemed to have gone up. I *personally* think something has changed but I don't know if SoE is even aware of it and probably hasn't/won't look into it off the basis of hearsay.

Odds for leaving someone behind on a succor went up a great bit a few months ago -- or is that more like 9 months ago now? Was a stealth nerf that noone really addressed.

I have a crucible up for evac if things get hairy, but I use a group port to get my group out of a dungeon after we finish (assuming no need to EVAC but just leave). It leaves people behind enough that it just isnt worth it anymore.

A wizard friend of mine evac'd his group and was left behind. I did Exodus the other day and left someone behind. Lets not get carried away and call it a fricken feature. It's a BUG and it has to be fixed.

If that's the case Tils then why isn't it seen in group ports? Not a snipe, just an honest question.

Odd, leaving people behind seems to happen very rarely to me. I think I've seen egress leave me behind once, and can't think of a specific example of one of my evacs leaving someone behind (aside from range/DA/etc. issues), although I know it has happened. I don't think it has happened to me at all since PoP, although most of the time when I'm evaccing it's hard to tell whether everyone is in range.

It's not seen in group ports because the Succor/Evacuate line of spells was designed with the risk that someone might be left behind, whereas the Circle line was not. It's a risk that you take for the benefit of getting your group out of a bad situation faster than a regular group port.

Heh, I've been left behind by my own evacs quite a few times over the years.

Evacs have always had a random chance of leaving a person behind. Even yourself.

I find though... that a failed egress will STILL dump your aggro. It's very handy in some situations to be "left behind". Sometimes I wish I could make the egress fail on demand! ;) In fact, I think this was one of the ideas in the Absor challenge thread.

Exactly Tyenu, I don't think it's a group casting bug, I think it's the original fail odds, but a lot of people have reported leaving people behind more than they used.

We get our first evac spell, Lesser Succor, at 18th level. Even before SOL's release our first evac came at 29th, the same level we got other types of group ports. All total we end up with a whole line of nine succor spells and a succor AA ... so not exactly something that could be considered a foreign type of magic.

After 47 levels of practice from 18 to 65, it would seem to me that succoring would be an area of particular mastery, as innate to the druid class as ressurecting is for clerics .. and when was the last time you got a botched rez that hit you with rez effects but left you sitting naked in a zone far away from your corpse?

Having a succor spell <strong><em>ever</em></strong> leave the druid him/herself behind ... well, that is just insult to injury. I mean come on guys, really. "Oops the plane took off without a pilot."

If Sony can <a href="http://pub149.ezboard.com/fthedruidsgrovegeneral.showMessage?topicID=31398.t opic" target="top">realize</a> the illogic of having tradeskill combines fail long after they're trivial for a character, surely the devs can take a look at the failure rate for a spell line that should be considered quite trivial for druids.

~Firemynd

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:rolleyes:

I think there's a real problem here, not just paranoia. I left somebody behind today in Veksar. Couple of days ago I left someone behind in a BoT tower. I think in all my years of using evacs I left people behind maybe like 3 times total. It used to be an extremely rare occurence but now seems to have become a lot more common. SoE please fix this!

Wind of South ( group EJ port) left me behind 2 days ago and Great Divide group port left me behind this morning ... something is definately messed. These are not Succor ports which have a chance of leaving people, but full long cast group ports that should not leave anyone behind.

Actually, Wind of the South (and North) are evac ports. GD port shouldn't be leaving anyone behind, though.

i love the bug causing aggro to drop when eggress fails

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That's handy... unless you're standing knee-deep in KOS mobs who then instantly re-aggro and resume munching on their druid snack.

I've had a disproportionate number of leave-behinds lately, both when using succor to travel and when using it to escape. Call this a "bad run of RNG luck" if you want, but unless the failure rate is supposed to be over 5%, this is not merely random misfortune. And if that rate <strong><em>is</em></strong> supposed to be over 5%, I'd urge SOE to apply some of the same basic common sense logic they're using to reduce trivial failures with tradeskill combines.

~Firemynd

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Not just egress.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We get our first evac spell, Lesser Succor, at 18th level. Even before SOL's release our first evac came at 29th, the same level we got other types of group ports. All total we end up with a whole line of nine succor spells and a succor AA ... so not exactly something that could be considered a foreign type of magic.

After 47 levels of practice from 18 to 65, it would seem to me that succoring would be an area of particular mastery, as innate to the druid class as ressurecting is for clerics .. and when was the last time you got a botched rez that hit you with rez effects but left you sitting naked in a zone far away from your corpse?

Having a succor spell ever leave the druid him/herself behind ... well, that is just insult to injury. I mean come on guys, really. "Oops the plane took off without a pilot."[/quote] This is very concise and acurate. I know that according to lore, the portals are unstable, and supposedly all of the Luclin era stuff made porting even more unstable; but evacs in the planes and Norrath herself, should exist outside of the problem areas that were started with Luclin. (That's if on were to follow EQ lore.)

That being said, I find it incredibly stupid that there would be some sort of random/roll to see <em>if</em> someone gets left behind, and the caster of the evac was included in that roll.

:lol

I was one of the folks a few months ago complaining the being left behind had jump up astronomicaly.

Again the other night doing Seb jail, bad pull, Mage dies, I cast succor.

Soandso1 creates a mystic portal.
Soandso2 creates a mystic portal.
Soandso3 creates a mystic portal.
Soandso4 creates a mystic portal.

Ummm wtf! :eek I didn't succor?
And now that bad pull is looking at me!
succor, interrupt, gate, interrupt, gate (channel'd gate off)
loading please wait...
Welcome to Western Wastes...
/sigh

You tell the group, ummm guys going to take me a few minutes to get back :(

edit: just edited out your sig, looks like a table tag is missing.

Just do like me.

"What? My evac left you behind? No way, you must have been out of range.."

"But.. but..."

"No buts.. hoof it !"

Hmmm...
For the people that are seeing a noticeable increase in people being left behind, what evac spell are you using?

For the last 6 months or so I've used exodus and the clicky evacuate (the wizard version) on my di'zok escape staff. Could it be just the actual succor spell, and maybe lesser succor, that's affected?

No Palarran.

I've been left on my own Exodus (as others have mentioned), so it must not be exclusive to Succor.