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Sibok of Brell
04-08-2002, 07:09 AM
/Agree completly

Lluien the Fire Caller
57 druid
Brell Serilis

Iuvili Niphredil
04-08-2002, 07:11 AM
Agree.

-iuvili niphredil
hierophant
7th hammer

Pixal
04-08-2002, 07:12 AM
/agree

PLEASE make us a valuable healer on raids Verant!

DyllwinDW
04-08-2002, 07:12 AM
/agree

For a while now I've had a feeling welling up in the pit of my stomach. This list of issues addresses the cause of that feeling, the total lack of my ability to aid a group during a fight, as opposed to just helping get everyone to and from the spot.

Dyllwin Dalewalker
Preserver 58th Season
An Rach GM
<Cazic-Thule>

Brendil
04-08-2002, 07:13 AM
I most certainly agree. Especially about Nature's Recovery and Touch of Nature. Hell, I don't use either. As a matter of fact, I find that Chloroblast, with it's faster casting time, tends to be more beneficial and gives the tanks that little bit of a breather while they are waiting for the Complete Heal to kick in.

Windarii
04-08-2002, 07:13 AM
I too would like to add my name to this in favor to have these changes implemented. :)

Windarii Razorstorm
60 Druid
Cazic-Thule Server

Ashkevron
04-08-2002, 07:13 AM
Have read the petition, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. As a 59 druid (half a blue from 60), I feel completely useless on raids, cant' heal worth crap, DD's are all resisted, snare (rangers/necros), Damage Shield (Mage), Buffs (shaman/cleric), all overwritten, basically just get to sit there and wait for someone to ask for anything because I have no use.

Only thing I don't really think needs to be implemented is the group heal thing. If it is great, if not...well, no big deal.

Delthanor Silverthorn
04-08-2002, 07:14 AM
/agree [except the blocking of Aegolism]

Delthanor Silverthorn
55 Druid
Wood Elf
Quellious
Fallen Eagles

tenpigs
04-08-2002, 07:16 AM
Having read the letter I have agree wholeheartedly to what is being said.

Being a level 42 druid I have yet to come across the high end difficulties you describe, but I know other druids of a higher level who are finding life decidedly diffult and frustrating.

I dont wish to encounter the same problems when I reach 50+

Nakeena Neetfeet
Druid of the 42nd season
Antonious Bayle

Tarpan Horses
04-08-2002, 07:16 AM
[Removed per policy]

Winterwind MorningLight
04-08-2002, 07:16 AM
I agree with all of the points brought up in the letter, but most especially with finding myself unable to heal just a single group effectively with the amount of damge to a player's HP the npcs are able to inflict. I absolutely love my druid, but find that I'm not able to be helpful in so many areas now.

Winterwind MorningLight
55th Druid of Tunare
Officer of Second Age,Cazic Thule Server

Ainamaf
04-08-2002, 07:21 AM
As a 60 cleric I agree completely that druids do need a upgrade. More and more it becomes harder to find healers for large scale raids. Often enough I am in a raid group with a druid, it seems wrong but, he becomes the healer just for me while I cover the group. I can see how that would be extremely boring and unfair.
As a raider I feel the need for a upgrade on a secondary healer is definetly needed, and the upgrading to a better DoT is completely understandable since that is one of the druids tools since lower levels.

Inthalas
04-08-2002, 07:22 AM
/agree on all this things with just one thing : more spell like stop rain into zone ; it s fun don t touch the well balanced class and give a personnality to the class :) , ho and the pet is undeconed too a friend who con him red kill him ( a ranger )with only one red buble of hp lose .

Watcher W
04-08-2002, 07:22 AM
I agree with this post as well. The Druid is lacking in every way in the high end game. We need to see changes with the Druid class and we need to see them now.

Watcher W
Tunare

BrambodiusFV
04-08-2002, 07:26 AM
throw the guys a bone VI, these druids need help.

I /support the petition

Brambodius Tanglefoot
Lotus Cult - Quellious
Priest of Bristlebane

Arbrus Naturalis
04-08-2002, 07:26 AM
I'll agree only with the healing 'tuning' needed. An example, nature's recovery was a good idea but poorly implemented. Fix the recast time or make it a group spell with shorter duration, and even better, make it an instant group heal along the lines of what the paladin gets. As it stands now, I see it getting used only for extra self-regen to mod more during the hp/ac crazy Luclin uber fights and that's a shame, it has potential for a really good heal.

TranceKat
04-08-2002, 07:26 AM
I am putting my 46 Dru on the shelf. There is no point in continuing to play her. I have not had fun playing my Druid in a long time.. :mad:

Old Main:
Uvasie
46 Dru
Tunare

New Main:
Yves
5 Enc
Tunare

Numruk
04-08-2002, 07:28 AM
I agree to the issues with your healing abilities.

I disagree that you should get a DoT upgrade. You're too close to necros as it is, druids should focus on getting their DD spells improved, perhaps a fire-based lure DD.

Changing your epic effect to a simple DoT will infringe on necros as well. Your scim should reflect your role on raids as healers, and buffers, not damage-dealing. On a side note, the necro epic also does not reflect the necro's role on a raid, whereas all the other epics augment their class' raid ability, the druid and necro epics do not. This should be looked at.

Finally, Verant needs to stop balancing classes based around game lore, and instead around what makes them viable in the endgame. Not giving druids luclin ports is retarded, it is lore interfering with the way the game works, and should be changed.

Grondorak
04-08-2002, 07:30 AM
I agree with the healing part of the petition as well.
I switched to playing a Monk because my druid I did not feel was contributing well to high end raid level encounters. I had specialized in Alteration magic because I 'thought' I would be mostly healing at the higher levels.

I VERY VERY much argree with adding druid ports to the moon. This will help people spread out and alleviate over-crowding in many areas. Lots of good places to hunt on the moon but many are deserted because of the remoteness of and the pain to get to those areas.

Baroness Minc, Female Human Monk 52
Gwon , Male Halfling Druid 51
Rodcet Nife server

LogarMoordeth
04-08-2002, 07:30 AM
/agree

Very well put.

Logar Moordeth
50 Half Elf Ranger of Drinal
Follower of Karana

SirBraun
04-08-2002, 07:31 AM
/nod
/agree

RustyShrapnel
04-08-2002, 07:32 AM
I agree to this petition except for the section on the group heal. 800ish some points for 900 mana in a group heal is a rather frighteningly good ratio for someone who's not supposed to outheal a cleric in any facet of the healing art.

I'd say more along the lines of group Superior Heal, 550ish points for 750 mana. The Paladin's Healing Wave of Prexus spell takes up 800-some mana per cast and heals 660 points. Give the druid group heal a recast time of 25 seconds as opposed to the Paladin group heal recast of 30 to make up for the 100 less points healed.

A group heal is the one thing I'd really like to see in a druid's arsenal. A lot of high-end raids have at least one druid in their group, as opposed to few paladins, and giving us a group heal would make us truly useful in AE raiding situations.

I do agree with the rest of this petition, however.

Tyenu Emissary of Magic
57 druid
Torvonnilous

Ualaa
04-08-2002, 07:32 AM
I Agree.

Ualaa Thunderdance
58th Druid of Tunare
Guild Leader of Excelsior (http://pub57.ezboard.com/bexcelsior18986).
Mithaniel Marr server.

Larch Leafdancer
04-08-2002, 07:33 AM
/agree
larch
60 druid The Rathe

feel especially ripped off after Luclin. System up graded, can not run new graphics, game play is poor, and we are USELESS witn no intra moon ports

Chakkan
04-08-2002, 07:34 AM
/agree wholeheartedly....with some changes maybe i would actually play my druid instead of usnig him as a port monkey..

Araccor 60 druid of Xev

Metten
04-08-2002, 07:35 AM
I agree, I and a few of my druid friends seemed stuck at levels after level 54, due to being passed by for better group selection. With some of the changes mentioned I might again be wanted in a group, instead of allowed in a group.

Metten
Level 56 Druid
Prexus.

Tyratys Silverwind
04-08-2002, 07:36 AM
I agree with this all.


Tyratys Silverwind
Preserver of the 57th circle
Rodcet Nife

Kokanee IceBrew
04-08-2002, 07:38 AM
Agree Whole heartedly..
Kokanee Icebrew

Ceili Xochicalfuego
04-08-2002, 07:38 AM
I agree also that we need to stand out as a reliable secondary healer. I hope to hear good news about Verant working with the people of the druids grove to make druids desirable in the end game.

Ceili Xochicalfuego
lvl 59 druid
Sol Ro

LegollasGreenleaf
04-08-2002, 07:39 AM
/wholeheartedly agree

Venerable Legollas Greenleaf
Tunarean Hierophant
E'ci

Lego Druid
04-08-2002, 07:40 AM
/agrees

Lego. 58th Druid on Tribunal

Andryhanel
04-08-2002, 07:41 AM
I agree. VI - please implement these suggestions or at least open a discussion with us ASAP.

Stormwillow
04-08-2002, 07:41 AM
I agree. I'm tired of seeing Clerics do nearly the same DD damage as Druids for 5 more mana... and be the best healers in the game. We are a broken class and definately need attention.

Zera 59 Druid
Arez 60 Paladin
Rodcet Nife

P.S. My paladin is a much better 2ndary healer due to 660 grp heal and celestial cleansing... which is sad.

FamilyAlustrae
04-08-2002, 07:41 AM
While I don't agree with every single aspect of the petition, I think for the most part, it is well thought out. SOme of the problems with healing especially are frustrating on RAID situations where even secondary healing becomes almost impossible.

Agreed.

Lanfiel, 53rd Druid In Transit (Ayonae Ro, on the way to Tunare)
Ter, 57th Enchanter, Tunare

Dedawen
04-08-2002, 07:44 AM
I agree and support. Add my name to the list.

Dedawen Oakshadow
54 Wanderer
Fennin Ro Server

Siderius Nuncius
04-08-2002, 07:45 AM
I agree with all points.

Siderius
49th Druid
Tribunal Server

Bitingwind
04-08-2002, 07:49 AM
Bitingwind Natureswrath
52 Druid of Tunare
Morell Thule

I fully support this petition, while I am not yet to the chloroblast/natures touch. I have been feeling the lack of healing for a long time as I have been attempting to heal in Velious using Greater Heal and Regen.

Woodedley
04-08-2002, 07:50 AM
/agree

Woodedley
54th Druid
Officer of Admanat Sentinal of Ro
Druzzil Ro Server

Fiindy Happifeet
04-08-2002, 07:50 AM
i agree with and support these changes that are being asked for.

sigurd18
04-08-2002, 07:52 AM
agree with needing improvements, agree with getting better dot but think that what is listed should not be. shamans and necros are traditionally the best dotters, dots are not used often in group situation it is more for soloing. if we got the dot listed (1950dmg over 54 seconds) we would be getting their ancient nife spell they get at 60 at 58-59. i dont feel druids need something that powerful. i would settle for 1500-1650 for about 400 mana at 59-60. epic i agree with i never use my epic hardly anymore. heal i agree with, only thing i dont agree with on the heal is if they do that decrease cast time and less mana it will be very very similar to torpor (which is goal) but torpor has negative effects. so if they do change cast time / mana they will add negative effects which if they keep it at about 978 hp healed should be less then what torpors penaltys are. potg singel agree, new nuke disagree we can already do 1125 with Ancient: Starfire of ro (fr), or 1100 with moonfire (cr). i say let the wizzies have something they need the extra dmg.

Cymbro
04-08-2002, 07:53 AM
/agree wholeheartedly

Cymbro Cubbyhugger
51 half elf druid Povar

Tuleryen
04-08-2002, 07:53 AM
I agree, but also would like to add the following. As the ardent defenders/masters of nature our spells regarding these areas are laughable. Our single plant charm spell is useless before most people aquire it. Our animal charm spells are useless in any upper level zone and the the last time I checked biology if it was not plant or non-living it belonged to the animal kingdom. I can see removing some fantasy based monsters from our ability to charm, but in reality most things should be charmable. In support of the open letter, Verant proclaims the game is designed for group play but increasingly forces higher level druids to hunt alone becose of their lack of usefullness in groups (we can't get invited to Sebilis, but we sure get asked to get everyone to EJ).

Tuleryen Shadowwalker , 55, E'ci

Sylashadowmist
04-08-2002, 07:53 AM
/AGREE VERY STRONGLY

I play both a Druid and a Cleric. The Druid was my main up until the upper 40's where I just couldn't handle the healing ability any longer. I started a Cleric which quickly surpassed my druid in levels because if given the choice, a group always took the cleric over the druid for the pure healing ability.

As for as porting in Luclin, I am very disappointed in the Luclin expansion for that particular reason. I originally created a druid so that I could port around and see everything. What have I seen of Luclin? The Nexus and a few zones around it. Not being able to get there or move around easily is such a disappointment, that I choose to just not go there.

Syla Shadowmist (52 Wanderer)
Ikaria Soulsaver (60 High Priest)
Cazic-Thule Server

Toosmall
04-08-2002, 07:53 AM
Much to the Shagrin of other classes I have to agree ..

Soliara
04-08-2002, 07:54 AM
/agree completely.



-Soliara Darkheart, 48th druid of Tunare, Proud officer of the Fellowship of the Griffon, Xegony

Najir
04-08-2002, 07:55 AM
/agree.


Najir Treantfyre
60 Warder of Tunare
Lotus Cult
Quellious

Wulfgyr Dracokyn
04-08-2002, 07:56 AM
Druids can do more that port!?

/agree

/smile

Windidar wood elf
04-08-2002, 07:57 AM
/Nods agreement

/puts his paw print on the dotted line

Rejenna
04-08-2002, 07:57 AM
Totally and completely agree.

Rejenna
Lvl 60 Druid
Xegony

Jethar Quickbeam
04-08-2002, 07:58 AM
/Agree

Jethar Quickbeam
55th Druid of Tunare
Bertox

ancarett
04-08-2002, 07:59 AM
I support this petition.

My main is a cleric. I certainly don't feel threatened by druids getting improved heals. It would help reduce some of the inordinate pressure on clerics to be there in force for every high-level raid or major encounter if druids could be functional secondary healers, if their epics could be useful and so forth.

Scrye
04-08-2002, 07:59 AM
Fully /Agree

Huggin Trees
Tunare Server

Ellesidil
04-08-2002, 08:02 AM
I agree with the letter.

Ellesidil
Cazic Thule

Sanerin
04-08-2002, 08:02 AM
As a Ranger I totaly agree with all comments raised. Well thought out and argued. I hope some if not all the points raised are considered

Pacal Sidhe
04-08-2002, 08:03 AM
[Removed per policy]

Taig
04-08-2002, 08:03 AM
/agree
I think this post is dead on, I realize that clerics are the numero uno healers in the game but come on give us druids a bread crumb here.

Example. I am hunting with a group in Lake of Ill Omen I am a 24 druid, I have had the same heal for a while and it does about 83-84 points of healing. So, here we are in the sarnak fort right ledge and a 24 cleric /ooc's for a group. We take him and he lets go his first heal. 302 points healed. I look at my screen and can't believe my eyes.

This is a bit lopsided now at 24 I can't begin to imagine what it is like at 55+

Come on Verant throw us druids some crumbs at least geez.

Great post send this baby on in.

Elyssia Q
04-08-2002, 08:03 AM
/agree

Elyssia Stormbow
Druid-56th Season
Lodestar Elder
Zeb Server

Twylight
04-08-2002, 08:04 AM
/agree

Rassaths
04-08-2002, 08:05 AM
Agree

Zefir, 54 enchanter
Elderron, 45 druid
Rassaths, 40 monk
7th Hammer Server

Talinus Cloudwalker
04-08-2002, 08:05 AM
I agree.

Devinoni
Dragons of Mist
A-Ro Server

kanwolf I
04-08-2002, 08:07 AM
I agree!

Kanwolf Shurhekan
60 Heirophant
Innourouk server

fronithunderpaws
04-08-2002, 08:09 AM
Agree

Thanks for putting this together.

DaBoof
04-08-2002, 08:12 AM
I agree with this. I know I am a little low but my friends with higher durids always complain that they can not get into a group.

Daboof
druid lvl 40
Erollisi Marr

Lynhir
04-08-2002, 08:13 AM
/agree

Lynhir Mistweaver of Sjendarim; 54 wanderer
Tunare Server

Jupiterken
04-08-2002, 08:15 AM
I agree.

Kenek
L60 Druid
The Rathe

Barfyx
04-08-2002, 08:15 AM
To me, grouping with friends is what EQ is about. More and more I find myself only getting groups to evac the group out, and get them where they are going (useless on luclin). On raids I am pretty close to useless as a backup healer, I would LOVE to see these changes implemented.

Barfyx
lvl 55 druid
Torv.

Solice Farwalker
04-08-2002, 08:16 AM
Yes, I would say this is the mimimum we need.

Solice Farwalker

Druid on Zebuxoruk

Nosfentaru
04-08-2002, 08:19 AM
This is a petition, not a discussion thread. If you do not agree or would like to discuss go to the post that was created just for that.

Ikrini Geomancer
04-08-2002, 08:20 AM
/agree

Ikrini Geomancer (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=34490)
58 Preserver
Second Covenant
Lanys T'Vyl

corlathist
04-08-2002, 08:23 AM
I agree
Cowyn, Level 60 Druid on Bertox.

PS: Read the notes people and try to drop the trollish responses.

Tsulyra Shadowhawk
04-08-2002, 08:23 AM
/agree

Tsulyra Shadowhawk
Hierophant of Tunare
Lanys

Rillen Telrhovanion
04-08-2002, 08:24 AM
This is an excellent synopsis of the shortcomings of Druids as a class and I support this movement.

NAME: Rillen Tel`rhovanion
RACE: Wood Elven
CLASS: Druid of 43 Seasons
SERVER: Fennin Ro

Pinadil
04-08-2002, 08:25 AM
/agree

Pinaddil Colada
56 Druid
Fennin Ro

Ladas Airewayz
04-08-2002, 08:25 AM
/agree

Shaitar
04-08-2002, 08:25 AM
/agree

Tumach
04-08-2002, 08:26 AM
As a high end ranger who often is put in the group with druid healing, I agree whole heartedly. The group heal would let the pallys get back to meleeing.

Pureplat Dreams
04-08-2002, 08:29 AM
I fully agree with what is stated in this request.

Pureplat Dreams
Lvl 55 Druid
Inny Server

patofnaud
04-08-2002, 08:30 AM
/em lifts his hind leg and leaves his mark here.

Not outbalancing, but gives use something to do on raids besides casting snare, RFS, RFD and dieing from too many debuffs cast.

Patofwaan, 45th season wolf agrees with this petition.

galos
04-08-2002, 08:31 AM
/agree

Galos Plainswalker
54 Wanderer
Drinal server

JuggernautOfFate
04-08-2002, 08:31 AM
/Agree

I would love to see some of these changes

Barringer
Level 58 Preserver
King's Court
Drinal Server

Milesgond
04-08-2002, 08:32 AM
I definately agree with this article!! I'm glad someone finally spoke up about the huge problems with our class!!

Aiyanako
04-08-2002, 08:33 AM
/agree

Aiyanachan Druid Erolisi Marr Server

twistle
04-08-2002, 08:35 AM
/agree

fardace 51 shaman (watching my fellow druids)
chirp 33 druid (hoping to get there)

tunare

Cellous
04-08-2002, 08:35 AM
I agree

Cellous
53rd druid
Quellious

Colaa
04-08-2002, 08:36 AM
/agree

Would like to add that since I bought Luclin, I have been up there only 3 times for spells and such. Druids are noted for soloing in addition to grouping. The fact that there are a lack of quad kiting zones in Luclin makes it less desirable unless I find a group - which is hard enough.

Kladare
04-08-2002, 08:36 AM
Well stated. I left EQ because the druid issues were not being addressed and we lacked a real role in the upper game.

Quelyn
04-08-2002, 08:37 AM
Quelyn, 51st Druid, Mithanial Marr server

/agree

I have been denied postions in groups that will leave a spot open to get a cleric for this reason. I have also been berated by clerics for trying to backup heal in tense situations..they yell at me for stealing their heals (hate that) and I have been in groups where the only thing I could do was sit there and soak up exp because the cleric can out heal me and the shaman can out buff me. Druids need to be able to make a group contribution other than transport.

Xaax Da Leezard
04-08-2002, 08:37 AM
/agree

Info in sig.

Soggo
04-08-2002, 08:39 AM
I couldn't agree more with this petition.

Soggo Hognoggin, 55 Druid, Solusek Ro

Arameen Dansaveclesours
04-08-2002, 08:39 AM
I totally suscribe to this suggestions

Arameen Dansaveclesours
Wanderer of the 52th season
Ayonae Ro Server

Calladin Dark
04-08-2002, 08:40 AM
Agree highly



Calladin Sotnos
55 Evoker
Antonious Bayle

Chaocle
04-08-2002, 08:41 AM
Moved to here: <a href=http://pub13.ezboard.com/fthedruidsgrovegeneral.showMessage?topicID=26999.t opic>Conversation</a>

Only reason why I moved and didn't delete was because of your comment Hopefully this will only get moved not deleted, since I am not sure this is in the right place.

Keltarin Stormshadow
04-08-2002, 08:44 AM
Definately agree. My first main character was a druid, and I stopped playing him because he had no real role in the post-50 game.

Also, Clerics have waaaay too much hold on the high end healing game. No cleric = no raid. Would be very nice to be able to toss a few druids in place of a single cleric and have them be able to do a reasonable job.

Seredin
60 Rogue
EMarr
Phoenix Crusaders

eXcalis
04-08-2002, 08:44 AM
[edited per policy]

Ygref
04-08-2002, 08:44 AM
/agree as well

Ygref Sacrosanct
56 druid of Blackwing
Solusek Ro

catterly
04-08-2002, 08:45 AM
/agree

Torinn
04-08-2002, 08:48 AM
I agree whole heartidly with this letter and hope you will take it into consideration.

Torinn Burningwolf
56 Druid
Knights of Loyalty - CT

Iadas
04-08-2002, 08:49 AM
/Agree
Heck...I was mad as anything cause we had to use GHeal for 20+ levels.

Iadas Mistwalker
50 Druid
The Tribunal Server

Sendar Tocs
04-08-2002, 08:49 AM
Allow me to sign the petition

Sendar Tocs of the Ny Jinnyn of Bristlebane (51 Enchanter Dark elf, who has seen a NUMBER of his guildmates LEAVE THE GAME ENTIRELY due to lack of balence)

Nexare Tocs of the Ny Jinnyn of Bristlebane (36 Halfling Druid of Karana)

and on behalf of my wife (SEPERATE ACCOUNT):
Yennia Tocs of the Ny Jinnyn of Bristlebane (28 Halfling Druid of Karana)

stupidoaf
04-08-2002, 08:52 AM
/agree

Phastn Phurry (retired because of these very issues)
51 druid
Errollisi Marr

Korek TrueSteel
04-08-2002, 08:52 AM
/Agree I would love to have my druid friends more effective secondary healers, as more then one time I have wished druids could back me up better when I start to run low on mana.

Korek TrueSteel
51 Dwarven Cleric of Aro.

Xarath the Druid
04-08-2002, 08:53 AM
I definitely agree.

Xarath 60 dr00d Solusek Ro

Crackgod
04-08-2002, 08:54 AM
/agree

Been playing my druid less as it is.


Genadan Winterlight
56 halfling druid
The Nameless

Rebu
04-08-2002, 08:54 AM
taking into account the 10% healing penalty and the mana cost penalty for a hybrid

Just wanted to point out it's a non cleric penalty, not just a Hybrid one. It affects Druids and Shaman as well as Rangers/Beastlords and Paladins.

EvilNight
04-08-2002, 08:55 AM
/agree, with certain reservations...

The DoT's a bit big... 1600 would be ok with me, 2000 is getting a bit high. I agree with getting a better DoT, just not one that powerful. Considering that druids and necros cannot regenerate mana as fast as Necromancers and Shaman can, it's reasonable for them to have this DoT upgrade.

I'd rather see current healing spells cast faster and with a shorter recast than more powerful healing spells. Please remember that healing effectiveness will also be getting a boost soon in PoP with focus items. IMO Druids shouldn't be casting long spells to heal huge amounts of damage, that's for Clerics. Druids should be casting short quick bursts rapidly, and in that situation it's also a lot easier for them to make on the spot decisions about if they want to switch from healing to rooting, evacing, or nukeing.

I would support a powerful group regen spell at 60th that heals 1200-1800 over a one minute period. That sort of spell would be a boon for offsetting the damage from high end AoE spells and make druids VERY desired on raids. It should have a heavy mana cost. Druids have always been the kings of regeneration...

There's no way in hell anybody's getting Luclin ports. I'd go for a Luclin-only evac to Nexus, but that's it. Druids and Wizards have no business breacking interplanetary distances with their spells, that's the reason the spire system was built in the first place - single casters can't summon that much power.

I'd love to see the 10% healing penalty nixed, but only in the endgame, after level 55 for example. Otherwise it'll make druid heals a bit unbalanced pre-50. Verant can code this sort of thing in easily, and since it's so easy it's a good bet for a fix.

Raviel Darkfyre
56 Monk of the Celestial Fists
Insidious Blood, Luclin Server

Good luck with your changes guys. And don't let the uninformed who have no idea what the 55+ raid environment is like get you down either. Verant knows, even if 90% of the playerbase doesn't get it. You're dead on with this.

eXcalis
04-08-2002, 08:56 AM
[edited per policy]

braska2000
04-08-2002, 08:57 AM
i agree to this letter wholeheartedly
I hope that Verant takes some of the proposed changes in the letter seriously
yes i think that we should be able to heal more
41 druid

Tahlia Treekin
04-08-2002, 08:57 AM
/agree

Tahlia Treekin
56 Druid
Zebuxoruk

Sosha EQ
04-08-2002, 08:58 AM
/agree

Sosha
56 Druid
Vazaelle

tymmon
04-08-2002, 09:01 AM
/agree

Tymmon Thistlebane
58 Preserver of Tunare
Insidious Blood on Luclin

Iniki
04-08-2002, 09:01 AM
Totally Agree

Iniki Stormwinds
56 Preserver
Lords of the Ters`tai
Drinal Server

Qisal
04-08-2002, 09:03 AM
I lend my support to this petition and agree that the above mentioned changes are indeed needed.


Qisal
59th druid of Karana
One Hundred Swords
Xegony

JJOHNSTON
04-08-2002, 09:04 AM
How about removing the penalties for DOT spells...That is if they have not already been removed. All this did was make Necros more god like.

Also ...when did nature's effect stop underground????? Plenty of plants and animals in caves...

jwasko
04-08-2002, 09:06 AM
Druids need improved healing ability just as soon as clerics get the ability to solo a blue mob without using three-quarters of their mana.

Of the three priest classes, druids have the weakest healing power. However this is offset by their ability to carve through XP mobs with great efficiency. Solo or in AA XP groups at 60, druids can be the preferable class to have. As a cleric, my healing powers are nearly worthless in Fungus Grove, Chardok, or any of the easy-access XP zones in the game. Tanks with Luclin gear at level 60 don't require a cleric, and would actually be more efficient with a druid, who can deal greater damage than a cleric and offers better utility.

So the only place where druids lack sufficient healing power is on raids, and while I wouldn't object to seeing druids get a 'bump' in this area, I think that it should only come at the expense of offering clerics a piece of the druid action. Trust me, when you can do NOTHING in the game but heal in raids, your game becomes pretty damned pointless.

Borick Ascid
High Priest of Brell
Noble Blade
The Rathe

LukasmosS
04-08-2002, 09:06 AM
[edited per policy]

Teaenea
04-08-2002, 09:08 AM
Adding my Name.

I see too many 60 druids no longer being played.

Teaenea Autumnfyre
Level 60 Druid
Cazic-Thule

treeleaf
04-08-2002, 09:11 AM
/cheer , all for it, good reasonable suggestions that are professionally suggested.
Thank you!

Keanar
04-08-2002, 09:11 AM
Agree













Kreadon StormWraith
59 Half Elf Druid
Shadow Reapers
The Rathe

Grayeagle
04-08-2002, 09:12 AM
/I agree


Grayeagle
Half-elf male Druid
Lvl 14 Seasons
Follower of Tunare
Erollisi Marr server

As you can see i am not high enough lvl to have this problem but if so many are then i agree that something needs to be done. I would hate to get all the way up to the higher lvls only to be unable to group and not be able to help or not get in a group at all and end up not playing at all. Gl on getting changes

Zerro Defex
04-08-2002, 09:12 AM
/agreed

Zerro Defex
Halfling Druid of the 40th Season
Guild Leader, Forged Union, The Seventh Hammer

Gorhendad
04-08-2002, 09:12 AM
/agree
Especially about the override of PoTG

As a druid I am usually stuck with the Necro's. Casting SLN, GrpCholro on them at the moment as they are used as mana battery's for the Clerics and Wizards.

Having a same level clerics buffs overwriting me is a pain. With both my buffs the necros can stay in COB longer. Dumping mana causes no agro. And in a Caster grp as the healer with 500 hpts extra be nice, the regen components of these allow them to med and get that health back, Allowing me to med and only heal when they are below 60 health.

Increasing our healing abilities will not make us better solo'ers but better group members. Therefore pushing us to grouping more.

Also we have a cold Debuff spell. Lvl 49 Fire. Cast it on yourself and watch your cold resist drop. Both Fire and Ice have a debuff component.

Gorhendad 52 Druid
Rodcet Nife

Deedlith Windspirit
04-08-2002, 09:13 AM
/sign


Deedlith Windspirit
Lvl 56
Xegony

LeydaEtc
04-08-2002, 09:15 AM
I concur..... some balance-tweaking is needed concerning out healing output at the very least.

Leyda, 58 Druid
Vision
Ayonae Ro

Aweils
04-08-2002, 09:17 AM
/agree in full

Aweilii Nicewolf
Wood Elf Wolfie of 54 Leaves Chased.
Member of Dark Family
Drinal Server

Kaidian Blade
04-08-2002, 09:17 AM
I agree with the suggestions made for the Druid class.

linalla
04-08-2002, 09:17 AM
/agree

Linalla Zenteil - Guardians of Antiquity
Druid of the 37th Season
Erolisi Marr Server

Errion Wayseeker
04-08-2002, 09:18 AM
/agree wholeheartedly

Errion Wayseeker
50 druid
The Tribunal

Aleriaan
04-08-2002, 09:18 AM
/agree

Although it should be noted that lessor succor (Level 18) is now available for druids, so evacing on the moon is now a viable option for us! But I'd still like to port there without waiting for those spires. :)

Aleriaan Martia'al
54th Wanderer of Tunare
Povar

Prodeous
04-08-2002, 09:20 AM
/agree

Prodeous
48 Bard
Innoruuk

Allynne Gentlesoul
04-08-2002, 09:21 AM
/agree wholeheartedly

...would love to feel more useful again on raids...

Allynne Gentlesoul
level 60 halfelf druid of Lady Tunare
Tunare server

Amneth Bitterthorn
04-08-2002, 09:21 AM
Hrmm. I agree in large part that many parts of this would address my current lack of desire to go much farther.

All of it seems extreme though.


-Amneth Bitterthorn
51 Druid
Bristlebane

MallanSouthpaw
04-08-2002, 09:23 AM
/agree

Mallan Southpaw, Endless Endeavor
Hierophant of Tunare
Innoruuk Server

Forthe CT
04-08-2002, 09:24 AM
I agree with some of it.

The heal penalty is a relic that should be removed.

The reduction of the duration of Nature's recovery would be nice.

The group heal would also be nice.

I would like to see druid skin\potg buffs stack with cleric buffs. They are the only buffing class that has this limitation.

The above upgrades would add tremendous value to a raid.

I do not think they need a larger direct heal. Without the penalty NT is a nice heal.

The rest of the points do the petition a diservice IMHO.

60 Druid | 60 Rogue
Veeshan

Rizos 66
04-08-2002, 09:26 AM
What can i say...

If only Verant could take some consideration of this

/agree and sign


Rizos
56 Preserver
GL of Brotherhood of the Lost Plane
Bertoxx

FrancoCleric
04-08-2002, 09:27 AM
I agree. Very well considered petition.

Franco D'Lucia
60 Cleric
Xev

Ahmadir
04-08-2002, 09:27 AM
Ofcourse I am Agree!!!

Also agree with some other posted messages.

1 = Stupid Druids pet ( payd 7kpp for and NEVER use it ) he die in 2 minutes even with DS/Regen/HP buff/Str buff/sow

2 = level 60 spells are all NPC Drop ( Can't cast any 60 spells before begging to buy or trade, to get the spells from a greed players that know you MUST buy this spells )

3 = Stupid to sit and wait like all other melee/caster to get an teleport to Luclin As an druid!!!! ( Whos idea was this??? )

4 = Been working longer than 1,5 years to get myn epic and some other luclin weapons are almost better than our EPIC. ( IF you change better high level zones and weapons, please change the OLD Epic weapons too )

5 = Many nice druid weapons or gears Drops in zones like PoG THAT an druid never can kill that mobs, becouse of the bad faction he get to his home. So other characters kill them and I must beg or pay very high prices to buy DRUID gears. ( its just stupid )

6 = Also Agree with healing, Clerics is a need atm to any group. without cleric no group, and i mean high level groups. many times they kick me out of group becouse to invite an cleric in myn place, and that is ..........@#$%%^^.

7 = The 3 best characters for any groups are 1:Warrior(Tank) 2:Cleric(HP/CH) 3:Chanter(Crack/Mezz) So if you are 1 of this and shout for LFG you get almost an group very fast. As druid you need to wait 2 hours maby longer.

8 = Been an tree must be the best camouflage for an druid to hide between the other trees, But i never use it becouse you root yourself and all mobs can see you too.

I hope that this help a little,


Sorry for myn bad english, Hope you all understand what I tryd to tell you.

Have fun and be safe.

Fennin Ro Server
www.Night-predators.com

Calaan Blackheart
04-08-2002, 09:29 AM
I am in full agreement.

Calaan Blackheart
Level 60 druid
E'ci

Sindalla
04-08-2002, 09:29 AM
I totally agree... These changes would make me put my druid back into the position of being my main..=)

Sindalla D'arthseth
53 Druid of Tunare
Fennin Ro

blaithin
04-08-2002, 09:29 AM
/agree.

Dechtire
Druid of the 27th Summer
The Nameless

Tyrinia Wolfeheart
04-08-2002, 09:31 AM
/agree

Tyrinia Wolfeheart
55 Preserver - Xev

DrakknarTZ
04-08-2002, 09:31 AM
[edited per policy]

Zorthan Holymistwolf
04-08-2002, 09:31 AM
/Agree



As an Druid in Training getting ready to Reach my Higher Levels. I Strongly Agree about this. I want to be the Best I can be when I am at Higher Levels.






Zorthan Holymistwolf
51 Wood Elf Druid of Tunare
Rodcet Nife Server

Chimaera Wolvynspire
04-08-2002, 09:31 AM
/agree

Chimaera Wolvynspire
45th Level Druid
Void of Chaos
Karana Server

Daryth Shadowspawn
04-08-2002, 09:32 AM
/agree

Daryth Shadowspawn
60th Necromancer
Stormhammer

Perum
04-08-2002, 09:32 AM
/agree

Even specializing in Alteration in hopes of making myself a more group oriented Druid has not made me efficient enough as even a secondary healer. Too much hp nowadays.. even on casters, and the mobs hit too hard. I find myself healing myself once due to AoE for each heal i throw out at my guildies.

I wholehearted support this petitioin, and hope that Verant does not take light of our situation. I really wanted to be a grouping Druid, unlike the norm. Just not happening.

Dantare
04-08-2002, 09:34 AM
I agree with this.

(I'm on Fennin Ro, 60 Bard)

LittlePach
04-08-2002, 09:34 AM
/agree totally

Pach Adams
Level 58 druid
Innoruuk Server

Earthspirit
04-08-2002, 09:35 AM
/applaud

here here I agree wholeheartedly, these are changes that are long overdue!


Ieranii Terraspirit
55 Druid
Vazaelle

Shaos
04-08-2002, 09:39 AM
I see why druids have those concerns, and personally, this keeps me from starting a druid, even if i would want one for many of his ablilities.

Personally, i`m a shaman, and, even at lvl 44, i feel like a very bad healer, and i see this only getting worse, but, since i have buffs and slow, i don`t even see myself as a healer in most cases. I really wish they could give a little push to druids, because i like to group with druids. With a shaman, a druid helps a lot with his regeneration abilities. To me, more HP = more mana. Well, seing verant`s point of view i could see reasons why this can be denied... Do who all druid, and then do who all *any other class*, you`ll see that druids are on the most wanted list. Since they are most wanted, they can`t be that bad (please remember, this is only a vision, not a fact).

Well, good luck druids on the debate

Shaos Brutal
44th shaman on Drinal

Sorin Oakenkept
04-08-2002, 09:40 AM
/AGREE

Sorin Oakenkept
55th DRUID on Terris Thule
Dwarec Mercenaries

KevTheif
04-08-2002, 09:41 AM
i want them to add iksar druids. i play on the dark team on vallon and never grouped with a druid:)

Kamilye Tauranna
04-08-2002, 09:48 AM
/agree

Kamilye Tauranna
44th level druid
Brell Serilis

Sojuorn
04-08-2002, 09:49 AM
This letter has my full support.

-Our heals are worthless
-Our Epic effect is not what it should be
-We need better damage output
-We should be able to port to the moon

Sojuorn
54 Druidess of Tunare
Ayonae Ro

Ihug
04-08-2002, 09:51 AM
I whole heartedly agree with everything in the post. When my guild raids in ToV the only requests I get are for resist buffs. Other than that I pretty much spam heal till oom. Also, when a person from another group requests PotG and you cast it and see "Your spell could not land on Target" for 5 out of the 6 members of that group, you get pretty pissed off because you just spent 1200 mana for a single person buff. Plus on a raid our epic effect is a joke, the only thing our epic is good for is stats and resists. I share in all of my fellow druids frustrations with the high end game and truely wish Verant will hear our plea and implement some overdue changes.

Ihug
Heirophant from Torvonnilous
House Archon

Azurescale
04-08-2002, 09:52 AM
i agree with the petition





Bison Fute
Hierophant of Antonius Bayle
Azurescale
Grandmaster of Terris Thule - retired

Eltharin Starsoul
04-08-2002, 09:52 AM
/agree

Eltharin Starsoul,
Druid of the 51th level,
Erollisi Marr server.

Happyfeet Funkmaster
04-08-2002, 09:52 AM
I agree with everything.

Happyfeet FunkMaster
60 Halfling Druid
Fennin Ro

Aazzn
04-08-2002, 09:53 AM
/agree

Aazzn, Lvl 52 Enchanter
Torvonilious

cogline100
04-08-2002, 09:53 AM
/agree

Mathonwy Trigmaster
54 druid of Tholuxe Paells

chrichton
04-08-2002, 09:56 AM
/agree

Chrichton Vai'Marek
55 Druid of Karana
Fennin Ro server

Starlene Antares
04-08-2002, 09:56 AM
54 Druid here. I totally agree :) I adore my druid and hate the nagging feeling that I would be serving my guild better by playing a cleric. Why should I feel pressured into giving up playing a character I and love? Let us be effective and diserable back up healers!

Starlene Antares
Sigil of the Twilight Sky
Innoruuk Server

Eiladwen123
04-08-2002, 09:57 AM
/agree totally

Kiny Soulbright
04-08-2002, 09:57 AM
I have to agree. As a chanter I am usually creating groups. Of all the classes I generally pick a druid last. There are so many classes that have snare, there is almost always someone of a snare class to add to my group. I always choose a shaman over a druid because the shaman can help with slows. I always choose a ranger over a druid because a ranger can snare and does considerably more damage. In summary, I believe that druid are the weakest class in the game now and are definately in need of an upgrade.

Treskar
04-08-2002, 10:00 AM
/agree

Treskar Darkwood
Lvl49 Woodelf Druid of Tunare
Vazalle

Thunderwulf
04-08-2002, 10:05 AM
Totally Agree. Nicely put.

Alaweena Thunderwulf
53rd level Wanderer
Mithaniel Marr.

Negolas1
04-08-2002, 10:06 AM
I agree 100% and all the sugestions seem to be extremely fair and just.

Negolas
58th Druid of Tunare
Torvonnilous

Noake
04-08-2002, 10:08 AM
/agree

I have bacisly stoped playing my druid at 45 because all other high-end druids have warned me that we are usless at higher levels...although I love the class to death.

Noake Der'Jager
45 Druid of Karana
Veeshan Server - Knights of Force

Tallarain
04-08-2002, 10:08 AM
I have read with intrest this document. I can concur with most of it, therefore you may add my name to the growing list.

Good luck and safe journeys to all.

Tallarain Lonewolf
53rd Druid of Karana
Fennin Ro Server

Sedden Raincaller
04-08-2002, 10:10 AM
i TOTALLY agree im not lvl 60 yet but at lvl 54 it is so hard for me to find a group and i think its so sad when a necro can out heal me and still have close to full mana where it takes half my mana pull for one kill almost in Seb. Also i think all the epics almost are outdated and need a overhaul especially now since luclin and Velious came out theres much better items you can get over the epics. the healing penalty post-50 is so stupid clerics can ready outheal us 100 fold and since melees can like the petition said can get up too and over 5000hp the weak heal we get at lvl 60 just doesn't cut it and with the new expansion Planes of Power coming out druids will become extint if Verant doesn't do something.....

Sedden Raincaller
54 Wanderer of Tribunal of Norrath
Saryrn Server

Ramasu
04-08-2002, 10:13 AM
/agree

Ramasu
36 druid
Erollisi Marr

Axercis
04-08-2002, 10:13 AM
/agree

KorbenDallas
04-08-2002, 10:14 AM
/agree

Sorry for the double, something broke. :(

Komido Di
04-08-2002, 10:15 AM
/agree

Komido
60 Monk
Veeshan

KorbenDallas
04-08-2002, 10:16 AM
/agree

Lorri Whisperingwind
04-08-2002, 10:17 AM
/agree!



Lorri Whisperingwind
60 Druid
Fennin Ro

Exedor
04-08-2002, 10:20 AM
/agree

Exedor

Level 60 Wood Elf Druid

Zebuxoruuk Server

Geekay Dragonsbane
04-08-2002, 10:20 AM
/agree

A friend of mine had a level 59 druid and retired him when his guild started doing HoT, he leveled a cleric from scratch to level 60 so that he could be more effective.

Geekay Dragonsbane
35 DE Enchanter

Nildawen Thunderfisst
47 Iksar Monk

Torvonnilous

Bavaral
04-08-2002, 10:20 AM
Add my name to the list please. Very well done.

Bavaral
Heirophant
Member of Vision
Ayonae Ro

LordKnightWolf
04-08-2002, 10:22 AM
/agree

Feel that this definately should be taken into serious consideration! I have been having serious doubts on whether or not to continue my druid, with so many restrictions and underbalancing issues left unresolved by Verant.

Lanal'lin
20th Season .499999999-Elf Druid of Tunare

Gimli fan
04-08-2002, 10:24 AM
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Mastire
04-08-2002, 10:24 AM
Agreed.

Melthoxin
48th Druid (and already suffering)
Erollisi Marr

akthu
04-08-2002, 10:24 AM
I agree with the request it is really needed. Me, myself 56th season feels the same way. Hope they will review the request and hope we all will be in business again.

BurmanianAT
56th Season Druid
Rodcet Nife

Talyena Trueheart
04-08-2002, 10:24 AM
I agree with a majority of this post. My main concern is that druid healing power is constantly dropping. Clerics have complete heal, so while they get more mana efficient with more hp, we get less. The gap keeps widening and Verant needs to address all high end heals for all healers (except ch of course).

Ellrik Shadowzbane
04-08-2002, 10:24 AM
/agree

Luclin would be a bit more popular with a few druid ports.

Dramaque Lostlore
04-08-2002, 10:25 AM
I completely agree with this.

Dramaque Lostlore
55th Wanderer
Mercenary Force
Innorruk

Corlax
04-08-2002, 10:25 AM
/agree

~Corlax
21st human enchanter of the House of carnage
Firiona Vie Server

Solaeryn01
04-08-2002, 10:27 AM
I agree wit this, sign me up.
/agree

Solaeryn Trippygrub
53 Druid, Mith Marr

Seragon55
04-08-2002, 10:27 AM
I agree.



Korak Silverbeam
54 Druid
Prexus

Rooksarii
04-08-2002, 10:29 AM
/Agree

I know I speak with a limited knowledge in regards to BEING a druid (only played mine to level 9) I can fully attest to what is stated here as valid from the outside looking in, especially being a class that more often then not on raids relies entirely on secondary healers for life. With many of the higher end encounters involving some of the nastiest AoE's yet seen in EQ, the need for a strong "light artilary" healer is even more of an issue.


Rooksarii Talonbane
Level 52 Rogue, Tunare Server

Rounlin
04-08-2002, 10:32 AM
Agreed

58ranger
38druid

Cazic Thule

MeerChant
04-08-2002, 10:32 AM
/Agree

I agree, wholeheartedly. As a lvl 51 Wanderer, I find it increasingly difficult to find a group that needs my services, and have taken to soloing almost exclusively, or giving up trying and playing one of my other characters. I've put alot of time into my druid, and I want to continue to be able to play her to 60 if I can. Verant's ignoring of the druid class has breached its own ideas of the game, which try to encourage grouping with your fellow players. I pray to my Mother Tunare that something will be done, and the Great God Verant will listen to our pleas for equality.

Meeryenai Mistwalker
51st Season, Half-Elf Wanderer,
Xev server

Tinuvani
04-08-2002, 10:37 AM
/agree

I would like to use my Druid for more then the Port queen.

Circadian
04-08-2002, 10:38 AM
/agree

WizardfromOZ
04-08-2002, 10:38 AM
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Keez
04-08-2002, 10:39 AM
/agree

Grygonos
04-08-2002, 10:39 AM
I agree... these reasons stated were half the reason I went temporarily to DAoC. I /sign this petition and hope VI changes the propsed areas.. nice list...thanks for being strong leaders in the druid community :)

LadyMariell
04-08-2002, 10:39 AM
/agree

Mariell Thornwalker
Dragons of Mist
41 Druid Woodelf
Ayonae Ro

Tinuvani
04-08-2002, 10:40 AM
/agree

I would like to play my Druid more. I stopped at 45 She stayed there for a year and only resent ahs she gotten any exp. Even at 48 I do see the Total lack of interest in Druids.

Teakken Oakwind
04-08-2002, 10:42 AM
I agree with this.

56 druid on Zebuxoruk, and holder of a near useless epic (well, it still whacks skeletons nicely that agro on me while running through West Commons, but sadly enough, I can't straight melee a dry bones skeleton that is over 30 levels below me)

Cormath
04-08-2002, 10:43 AM
/ageee

Tamroc Shamroc
52nd Druid
Tunare Server


Druids are inferior for the end game raids. DD, DoT, DS, Buff, and Heals all fall short of the mark. Other than transportation (which Wizards can also do), Druids just do not have a nitch to fill in the end game.

Keoni Nui
04-08-2002, 10:45 AM
/agree as far as my knowledge goes...

Sonnin Soulmender

Nakal
04-08-2002, 10:45 AM
/Agree

Maybe it will be fun to pick up my druid again if they are wanted more. It was so disheartening to see my friends pass me because they would get tells from zones away to group, where I was always shouting and waiting. I thuroughly enjoyed the druid class up to 50, but after that it got hard to enjoy. These changes are rigt up my ally to enjoy the game more with my druid.

Nakal -59 Warrior Cazic Thule
Seene - 54 Druid Cazic Thule

Lalerenya
04-08-2002, 10:46 AM
/agree........ Something needs to be done thats for sure!

From Zebuxoruk Server

LilTyger
04-08-2002, 10:46 AM
I agree with this and the support the spirit in which it was put together.

Liltyger Hiddendragn
51 Druid - Order Of Hasson
Zeb.

Guardians of the Myst
04-08-2002, 10:46 AM
I agree
Dannan
44 druid. Ayonae Ro Server

Only 1 Adammair
04-08-2002, 10:47 AM
/agree

Adammair
44th Season Druid
Tunare

...been playing a casual, yet devoted Druidic follower of Tunare since the day the world began...outside of BETA anyway. :)

Folio Twigsnapper
04-08-2002, 10:48 AM
/agree

Folio Twigsnapper, 55th Half Elf Druid of Tunare
Purgatory
The Nameless

Valeska83
04-08-2002, 10:48 AM
/agree

Valeska Mistwalker
60 druid Terris thule

Darcangell of Neriak
04-08-2002, 10:49 AM
Agree




Quinin Freekinkwik 36 Druid

Silicon Traveller
04-08-2002, 10:50 AM
/agree

:)

Quigsby
04-08-2002, 10:50 AM
I don't know if I've posted or not... heh.

I support this action and all those involved.

Wweien Wolfwalker
04-08-2002, 10:50 AM
/agree

the only way i get into a group is if i start the group/raid myself and i never put a druid as a main healer in a group anymore... we druids have been in need of help for a long time now...

WW

57 druid
server: tunare
OEM

Daenof
04-08-2002, 10:52 AM
/100% agree

my 2cp
Daenof, 32nd Druid of Torvonnilous

Nendariela
04-08-2002, 10:53 AM
Why should I be forced to give up a class I know and love so well?
/agree
Nendariela
Eidos of Tao
Protector of Tunare
11th level druid

Jasaine
04-08-2002, 10:54 AM
/agree

Jasaine Sulharai
Level 57
Cazic Thule

Ayshamon Vagoralok
04-08-2002, 10:55 AM
/agree wholeheartedly

The manifesto in it's entirety along with a few other change would be an amazing help to our class. Especially the Epic concerns and the healing problems.

54 Druid
Bertox Server

Tubbz
04-08-2002, 10:55 AM
/agree

Rikkir
04-08-2002, 10:56 AM
/agree. Nice changes, will put us back on track as a support class.

Rikkir Spikes
60 Druid, Cazic

Kindas
04-08-2002, 10:56 AM
I agree that something needs done with healing.

Some of the other changes... /shrug


Kindas
57 Half Elf Druid
Tribunal

truffle733
04-08-2002, 10:56 AM
/agree

Lliqon Litefoot
52 Druid
Brell Serilis

Kailyssa DarkWynd
04-08-2002, 10:56 AM
/agree totally - i havent had a random group since luclin came out, guild groups are my only way of social fun in game.

Kailyssa Darkwynd
57th Druid of Tunare since 1999
Guild Leader Ascension
Antonius Bayle server

Auroradae
04-08-2002, 10:58 AM
I agree completely

Auroradae
lvl 24 cleric
Karana server

saum02
04-08-2002, 10:59 AM
/agree
Preach it brother :)
Saum Baudee
54th level Swiss Army Knife Druid
"yeah I can do that"

Azuremane
04-08-2002, 11:01 AM
/Agree

LvL 55 Druid, Brell Server

VeloxLupus
04-08-2002, 11:02 AM
/agree

Veloxlupus 55 Preserver
------Vallon Zek------

PreshExpresh
04-08-2002, 11:02 AM
/agree

Presh Expresh
45th season
Vallon Zek

LvisAron
04-08-2002, 11:03 AM
I agree wholeheartedly. Nuff said.


Iinani Valkyrii
54th level druid, Solusek Ro

Ragdoll45
04-08-2002, 11:04 AM
I agree very much so with this entire post.

I've never even considered doing my epic until recently becase I'm almost 59 & getting bored not having. Even with the druids epic being one of the easiest, I still don't feel it's even worth my time to comeplete the quest ro get it.

Further more, I also have a higher level cleric, after healing with him in just a few higher level groups (45+), I'd starting to laugh at my healing powers as a druid now. We don't even get an upgrade from 52 to 59, & that's a lot of levels to be using that crappy 500hp spell. When in fact most of the mobs you'll encounter at that level will take away 500hp from your main tank in about 5 seconds if not faster. SO what's the point if you have to constant heal, are you really group worthy at that point, when you are OOM after every pull.


Portman - 58 - Tunare

Gamalon Berek
04-08-2002, 11:07 AM
I agree, please bring the druid class more up to date with other clases.

Gamalon Starblade
Lost Fires
Ayonae Ro

Dalisar Stargazer
04-08-2002, 11:08 AM
Been with the game since near the time it started. Played most of all classes, multiple servers, blah blah.

I agree with what you have to say on this thread.

/agree

Dalisar Stargazer
60th Halfling Druid
The Rathe

Crumb Kake
04-08-2002, 11:08 AM
I play a 55 ogre warrior main with a 51 druid alt, and through raiding I've noticed the druids woo's. I totally agree with everything said here!

Tegue Mistwalker
51 druid of Zebuxoruk

Ankrel
04-08-2002, 11:09 AM
/agree

59 druid of lanys

Phelkis
04-08-2002, 11:11 AM
I agree with everything but one thing about the epic change.

Our epic snare slows them more than the spell ensnare.. So if they are to change the epic to just a dot, give us a new more powerful snare at 44 or higher, that will be the same % slow as the epic.

Tarunik
04-08-2002, 11:15 AM
I just wanted to say that druids cant heal for crap, even with greater healing, when i'm grouped with guildmates and healing higher lvls it doesnt do much. and we dont get another healing spell for awhile... hopefully you will take this to consideration, thank u very much.

Nubbo
04-08-2002, 11:15 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with the issues in the original post. To those non druids complaining in this thread I just want to say gtfo of this forum please.

Nubbo Rumblebelly
Heirophant
Vae Inimicus

Bippity
04-08-2002, 11:22 AM
/agree

Bippity
60 Druid
Quellious

Cyanravyn
04-08-2002, 11:22 AM
/Agree

Cyanravyn Sionadell
Druid 56th Circle
Vaz

Tolian Trainwrecker
04-08-2002, 11:23 AM
Read the original post (like 40 pages ago, lol), and it all sounds pretty good. I miss seeing my guild's 'druid army' at raids. If getting these changes is what it takes to make em all come back, I'm all for it. Hope you all get what you're after.

Tolian Trainwrecker
Warder of Valoran, Karana Server

Malkhavian
04-08-2002, 11:27 AM
Should i say anything else???
I Love druids, but verant is making me hate myself!!!





Malkhavian Heldelkhil
52 Wanderer
Bertoxxulous Server
Spellfire Guild


!! CHEERS !!

Leralind
04-08-2002, 11:31 AM
I only play a level 32 druid, and I must say that I agree with this as well. I would also like to add that I would like to see armor quests for my class at this level, as druids seem to be the only class without them. Why should we be the only ones that have to wait till 45?

Leralind Nevrast
32 Wood Eld druid
Drinal Server
Royal Guards of Drinal
"So what if you are on the other side of the world? I'm a DRUID!"

CaenDF
04-08-2002, 11:39 AM
/AGREE!!!

Lesser Succor has been a mild change that helps on luclin, but not much. (where are the dungeons? oh, yeah, Ssraesha (sp?), 1 dungeon)

Also, snare effect removed from epic = good. Let the Ranger snare! :)

Natyn Twigdiddler
55 Druid
Drinal

Shyanna Spiritbreaker
04-08-2002, 11:41 AM
/agree

Layana
04-08-2002, 11:42 AM
/sign

Layana
60 Wood Elf Druid
Povar

Manthis
04-08-2002, 11:42 AM
/Agree

Manthis Hoverblast
60 druid
CT server

Rafajafar
04-08-2002, 11:42 AM
/agree /sign

I want to note that I disagree with the ports on Luclin. A) It does not follow with the lore and B) with the recent implementation of lesser evac, I see no need for it. Druids, like stated, are not meant to do everything, and are not the masters of Teleportation, wizards are.

Sharnna Wolfmaster
04-08-2002, 11:44 AM
I am not yet a high level player, but I do read a lot of forums about being a Druid. I have a couple other chars, but the Druid is my favorite.

I whole heartedly agree with the petition. I would not enjoy leveling my Druid to 55 or higher and be of no benifit to no one. The main reason I elected to play a Druid as my main, was I like to help others and Druids do a decent job of that. But I don't like getting thrown to the wayside after lvl 55 either.

kaio2k
04-08-2002, 11:46 AM
/agree
We definitely need better heals.

Hachu BlessYou
[c]Druid of the 52nd Sneeze
[c]Tunare Server

Ligge
04-08-2002, 11:47 AM
Sure

Tyrellan
04-08-2002, 11:48 AM
Undoubtedly this will get deleted - but:

Heal penalty - agree
Port to luclin and group heal - STRONGLY disagree

I'll go post my concers in the other thread....

DracomIH
04-08-2002, 11:49 AM
I /agree with this wholeheartedly