I work my tradeskills. I busted tail on tailoring for months and months because I was busy leveing/aaing in addition to farming when I had the sanity to spare.

Anyways, I've been making a push to get on up there to the 250 mark as of late and solstice robes were making the pockets run dry because the turn around on them isn't exceptionally fast since my server is flooded with people doing the exact same thing I am.

So I go to hunting some rockhoppers for a change of pace. I get 17 hides and get 4 200+ skill ups in those 17 combines. For those of you who tailor, you realize how unreal this is. Happy I go to the bazaar to find some more flawless rockhopper hides.

Lo and behold there are 95 for sale on one trader! But the @$$monkey has them for sale at 500 a piece. Yes 500plat a piece. Looking at the reinforced acrylia armor selling in the bazaar we see the tunic available at 700.... Masks, gloves the whatnot at 30p, 150p.

In short, the market doesn't support such prices for the finished product of the items. I'm not the onyl one who thinks this, but it is maddening to be staring for a week at the same 95 flawless rockhopper hides for sale day after day after day after day because the jerk would rather hold them up above everyone's nose at a retardly high price than come down to a realistic price for them.

Anyways, just had to rant. People will always gouge for tradeskill supplies, it just really pisses me off for tailoring because 1) all skill ups have to be done in the field as opposed to say brewing or Sony's little baby - Jewelcrafting. 2) The end products are very unbalanced.

Look at some of the tailored products that come out of tier 1 PoP. Ok, after you farm the hides/skins, the parts to make the emblems, and factor in how rare this stuff is in the first place, compare your end product with An Amulet of Iron Horrors or the MP3 face/head thingie from PoN....

Retarded.

Try some $^&$ tradeskill balancing you stoogy devs!

- On a side note, don't ask me why I tailor if I hate it so much. This is a rant, not a logical post. =P

I know what you're saying, and totally agree with you. I remember walking in to the Bazaar with my magician at level 16. I was actually dumb enough to believe I could buy some words with the money I had made up to this point.

Words of Tyranny (the very first set of words that magicians use to research) 10pp each. Research isn't just research and move on either. You have to have a pet scroll from the last level you got that pet at, in order to research the current level of pet. That means to research your level 49 fire pet, you need a fire pet scroll from level 44. Whatever the levels are, I don't remember.

It's total crap. As long as people pay that much, they will keep on pricing them high.

I had a dire charmed rockhopping killing machine and was able to keep every spawn down in the caves all by myself. I was getting IIRC about 4 or 5 flawless hides per hour. On Karana flawless were going for about 250pp or so and acrylia to make boning was going to add another 100-150ish PP to the combine price. Anyway, @ 250pp per hide thats maybe 1kpp per hour of farming which isn't a heck of a lot. The problem is the drop rate is so obscenely low. It is probably marginally better to do othmir fur or even wyvern hide despite that requiring THREE non-vendor components and 1 of those components is a rare fish that is as much fun to get in any quantity as smashing your head into the wall.

Actually, the supply-and-demand model does actually work here. The Demand is Tailoring skillups.

But, for this trader to have 95 of them, I doubt he farmed them. He is probably buying them in the bazaar and marking them up to 500 to gouge the tradeskillers. I usually just laugh at these people, and refuse to buy ANYTHING from them. Let them keep their plat tied up in hides they have absolutely no use for.

Yep, that is a new plat making scheme. Buy up any of the supply from lower priced vendors then charge more. The problem is that there are people with so much plat it really doesn't matter. One hit from one of those people and the trade supply schemer is a winner.

If he's selling for 500p, then people must be buying them for that. If nobody buys them, the price will undoubtedly come down :)

There is an old adage

Something is only worth what someone will pay for it...

It has a second part, though most have not heard it

...and what someone is willing to sell it for.


For example: The designer of the very first G.I. Joe 'action figure' has pulled out the original prototype out of his attic. It is going up for auction. It has a starting bid price of $600,000. Which means that it is worth $600,000 at least to one person, the person who presently owns it.

Same thing in the bazaar, I would think.

Buy for less from somebody else, or go get your own solves the whole issue.

The GI Joe prob went to my older cousin.

The guy is a bald, WWF wrestler looking guy, 6ft 4 250lbs and owns a trucking company.

He has a 12 x 20 room filled with GI Joe collectibles, but no one is brave enough to make fun of him about it lol

Just get someone in there without about 50 of them for 100pp each. Get several people in there with 50 pelts for 100pp each, and the person selling them for 500pp will never make any money. You have to keep doing it once in awhile. Otherwise, the prices just shoot right back up.

Yeah that works, so long as the price gouger doesnt simply go and buy up the cheap supplies every time someone offers them, then puts them up for resale at the inflated price.

In the real world there are controls on such practices, anti-monopoly laws and such. But a virtual free market wont work unless there are people who can protect the market in the same way. Those practices damage the economy and the market, basically forcing people to simply get their own supplies and keep them for themselves, removing money from circulation.

Anyway... yes I hate it too!

Tia

The single biggest problem, is that there is no limit on how much money is in the world at any time. You couldn't charge 100k for an item, if that's all the money there was in the world at one time. If that's all there was, then there would be AT LEAST two people that had part.

someone will buy them.

You can't make money in the bazaar on any skillup item, unless it's something you can farm for yourself (if you're WILLING to spend the time to do that). I figure if I'm recouping half my costs I'm doing good, but mostly I finance my tailoring skillups by making non-skillup items. Any item used for skillups will be sold for less than its true worth (because the market is constantly flooded), and supplies for skillup items will always sell for a premium (because the worth is the skillup itself, and the time it takes to farm skillup items, not the real worth of one pelt to make one item).

I know it's frustrating, but if you're going to play the tradeskill/bazaar game, you have to accept the truth of it.

Do what I did. Trade the finished product for raw supplies.

Attack him. Put a stack up for sale at 475 pp.

He, or someone else, can buy the stack for 475 pp, and you get 9.5 kpp. Bonus. Keep farming pelts and get rich until he stops.

Right now, he's playing the game of "I will make sure there is a sufficient supply of pelts for the ultra-rich to buy". Annoying, but that is what happens when people with 200 kpp+ have nothing else to spend their money on but stuff you want as well.

Went to the bazaar today. Saw somone with 375 spider silks for sale for 15plat each.

MQ hides for sale for 80 plat each.

I just go farm the stuff myself.

At 239 tailoring, I gave up on solstice robes and totally concentrated on velious tailoring by making tigerraptor masks. Yeah sure you lose cash on the deal, but it is infinitely less frustrating than making solstice robes or doing Luclin tailoring.

If you are not worried about CoV faction, velium drops in skyshrine are amazing, plus the tigerraptors are easy to hunt down and kill.

The only tradeskill drops I'm willing to buy in the bazaar are elemental related (since I do not have elemental access), but I'm not doing that anymore since ornate has destroyed all tradeskill related armor on Prexus.

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