Just an old fashioned rant...

What in the name of Karanas-ever-sucking-godhood brings people to the druids grove to lend their 2cents in because "I have a druid alt."

I am not saying I am for rez/slow/myriad of other abilities, but EVERY SINGLE TIME they are brought up, we have some idiotic level 65 clerics come to the thread. NOTE: Not saying they are idiotic because they post on a druid board.. oh no... they are idiots because they ALWAYS post "I have a cleric main, but my alt is a druid so I know what I am talking about" -- and you always, every single time, notice their sig showing a level 65 cleric and a level 30 something druid.

Excuse me?? You "know what I am talking about" when people start mentioning the problems inherent in the upper level druids class because you have a level 30 druid?

Its not just clerics either...

I enjoy having all the classes posting on the druids grove telling about their ideas about such-n-such but every time they start their post (or end it) with something like "Yah, I play a blahblah as my main, but I have a level 30 druid so I KNOW what I am talking about! Druids are too powerful as it is! blah blah blah" it makes me want to take a nerf bat to them until they got bruises...

Yah, just an old fashioned rant... and personally? People who post about how they know druids due to their low level alt should have it made exceptionally clear to them that they can play a druid to 60 or 65, get all the aa's and use them, and then are allowed to say that.

Popped by to download the alternate-abilities pdf file and wandered this way. I rarely post in these forums, but I enjoyed this rant.

So

/salute

I resemble that remark. I have 5 characters and I played them all a lot. But my 65 cleric isn't my main either... either is the 65 shammy... or my 60 druid... or the 62 enchanter...

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That made me laugh.

Nice rant:)

Panamah, you Resemble that remark, or you Resent that remark?

Not the same thing :P

...Groucho Marx...

...brilliant...still...

"I would never want to join a club that would have me as a member."

Resemble. :) I'm an alt-aholic.

An alt-holic?? More like an alt-who-could-be-nearly-anyone-else's-main-holic. ;)

Primero Aventurero
64 Druid

QUICK ...someone get pana out of that chair and outside. Sure the introduction of fresh air and sunshine might kill her, but drastic steps need to be taken ... ye gods !!!!

I've got a level 10 Cleric on Tallon Zek that turned in the PvP book (TZ is already a PvP server) so I pretty much know everything there is to know about cleric'ing. The clerics I group with love my positive input on how they can better play their characters. Maybe its time I take it one step further and bless the Cleric boards with my unfathomable depth of knowledge about everything they do!

Good rant sir :p

The game for druids changes so much over the life of the character. I have other alts, but not that I play at a high level or consistently. My druid is my main, and I like to think maybe that means I know something about that it...

:rolleyes: Teia

LOL I got alts but that dont make me an expert ;p Nice rant .... love it ...

What the HE!! was I thinking back in 99 making a HUMAN KARANA worshipping DRUID????
Velious screwed us Karana people

Back on topic, just because someone has a druid alt and another alt higher, does not always mean their "main" is their highest alt...........
As one who has 8 alts over 60, another 5 or more over 55 on 3 accts, I must say......
I started my cleric Tuesday March 16th 1999 and my druid Thursday March 18th, 1999, does that make my main a cleric?

I think "main" or "knowledge of that class" doesn't come with levels, I think it's a sense of being with what class you enjoy playing, for me, it's by far a druid.

Elder Alaten
Storm Warden

Very nice rant indeed it made me chuckle.

I am an expert Monk.

I dont even have a monk.

Well, I was a Druid from release until shortly into Kunark (I retired at 52, which I hit around the first month it was out). I had at that point a few characters in the 30s and if'n anyone asked me at that point, I'd have said I knew them all (and the classes themselves) pfwtyvm.

Ok, in those mists of time, I stopped playing my Druid other than the occasional primal scream of "I CAN'T SOLO A F#@ING MOSS SNAKE AS A ROGUE SO I AM OFF TO QUAD &^%UIT!!" to blow off some steam. After a few sessions of that (and some EE production for guild Necros, combined with the then-needed servicability of being up for epic Vox raids and various handy spotting stuff... my original Druid is still 52 to this day. Hell, barely a bubble in as I think about it.

Don't get me wrong. I know my Rogue (65/AAed... blah blah) and his capabilities far better than I know my old Druid. But to think I don't know my Druid well enough to talk about Druid issues is a little silly really. I'd wager I know enough about Necros, Clerics and Monks even (despite only having a 30/0/35 level of each myself) just from duel-boxing friends on raids. EQ itself can be tricky but individual classes are generally not hard to master, although frequently they are hard to play masterfully.

I would agree with that last statement. I learned how to play Bard, Ench, Sk in a month and I could easily fit in during a raid, but I'd be nowhere near the skill and ability to assess the necessary spell/song with the alacrity that someone who had played the character from level 1 would.

I think though talking about the issues that affect level 65 druids is probably a little out of my league. I have a level 60 druid with a dozen or so AA's, but I really retired her in Velious when I couldn't get a group any longer. I switched to my cleric then, after that I switched to rogue. :)

Even though I somehow got my druid to 60, it was mostly having her along as a multi-boxed character, just snaring, doing a bit of nuking and healing and evac'ing. I did a bit of soloing when PoP first came out. However, I don't feel like I can really talk to raiding druids about what they do on raids. I haven't played her much on raids. I'm somewhat familiar with the AA's druids get, and know that PoP improved the heals a ton. As a raid leader, I'd use druids in the chain if necessary, or use MGB heals when needed, or have them doing a bit of crowd control, or just nuke. But beyond that, I'm pretty rusty in my druidish.

The High-End game ( and by that, I mean the Elemental Planes etc. ) is so drastically different from anything you would face at lower levels and in smaller guilds that I think it is rather ridiculous for anyone who has not participated in it rather extensively to try to analyze the druids' place or needed abilities. What is needed for the previous expansions in both ability and understanding of your role is rather limited in comparison.

That being said, I think SOE went a long way toward making druids what they should be with the healing fixes etc. A lot of the remaining shortcomings can be moderated by the proper gear and AA. The only real issue that I see remaining for druids (and shamans) is the lack of a group heal that is viable in raid situations. SOTW just does not cut it in the Elemental planes with 3k AE's from mobs or AE effects that drain both mana and HP's at an alarming rate.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth.

You wanna get to know someone, walk a mile in their shoes.

Sorry, if you're lvl 30, or even lvl 50 but retired druid prekunark, you've yet to even get the laces tied.

I know a great person with a ton of alts, one being a 65 druid with a good handful of AA, but got there being double/tripple boxed on autofollow the whole time. He's not got a frippen clue what druids are and aren't capable of. I grouped with him one day, and he seemed shocked at what I did and why I did it, and I was like.. Dood.. you've got a lvl 65 druid too.. and then it dawned on me. He was one of them... One of the ones on the outside looking in. Not a real druid.

Don't get me wrong, every great EQ player out there, or well seasoned, how every you want to say it, should have a pretty good comprehension on what other classes capabilties are. But that being said, it's not the same as seeing it done as it is to actually do it. I watch the clerics, the enchanters, the warriors... mah gawd, the bards (they confound me) and as much as I know what they CAN do... stick me in that character and I would fumble things up so bad. My point is that there is a difference... You just gotta walk that mile.

My alt is a cleric, and kudos to those that can actually stand playing a cleric full time. But when it comes to opinions to what clerics need for thier class or whatnot, I will stand down and let the 'real' clerics have thier say.

I could never be anything else but a Druid in EQ... I just play a cleric on TV. ;)

Well said Korwynn.
Things in high end are so different now that I wouldnt even go back and tell a lvl 30 druid how to act anymore.
If you don't play the character full time and know its abilities and limitations, then you really dont need to concern yourself with it too much.
Its handy to know a variety of characters for playing alts, or just being knowledgable about all aspects of the game. Everyone has an opinion about it, but if you think you know how to balance a class because you happen to have an alt Druid, then you are mistaken. Unless you are some oober l337 master of all classes guild leader :)

Personally, I find the "I play a guildy's 65 <insert class> often on raids" credentials to be equally amusing/annoying. If they post to ask questions or to seek advice, then I applaud them. However, it seems they always post to tell me what I can and can't do.