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Aaliane
01-23-2003, 10:13 AM
Then stop coming to the website. I usually read more than I post, but I got a little tired of what I have been seeing lately. I have read this board for years and it has always provided me with great information and help. The people that post here are knowledgable and friendly. With the recent changes in the druid class, many posts have turned towards what we would like done or what we can do. As I have read through these posts I noticed that almost every other post is from a cleric. Mind you, I have no problems with other classes posting ideas or helpful information at all. And some of these clerics are posting very insightful posts that merit debate. But, i have noticed a lot of people coming here to either: tell us we are not playing our class right and need to learn; tell us the patch was correct in all that happened with it; tell us we were overpowered; gloat; etc. I am tired of coming to a place where I like to visit and read and see posts like that. I go to a lot of other classes message boards to read. I have alts that are other classes and I like to learn about different classes in order to understand them better. I do visit EQ Cleric Forums often. I have seen threads putting down my class. I have seen threads that laugh and gloat when we get nerfed. I have seen threads where you claim that Sony favors Druids (not). I have also seen your issuses on what you consider for your class balance. What I did not see there was one post from a druid insulting any of you. It is very possible that there is one, but in the weeks I have been reading, I have not seen one. I have seen one post on your board that I find amazing considering that you think that us asking for a lower heal agro is too much. We aren't asking for the world. The thread I'm referring to is eqcleric.gameglow.com/for...adid=12571 (http://eqcleric.gameglow.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12571) Hope that works if you want to see, I'm not too familiar with making links. If you notice, there isn't one perosn posting there saying anything negative at all when you discuss your ideas for class balance. We show you that respect, why can't you show us the same? I could go on, but it's almost time for me to leave work. Bottom line - If you don't like it here, don't come. If you want to post insightful things, post. But show us the same respect on our boards as we show to you on yours.

chenier
01-23-2003, 10:35 AM
While I agree with you that I'm sick and tired of hearinag about people argue over the heal "change" (which is what I call it now so as to be politically correct and not call it a "fix" or a "nerf"), I think your example thread choice is a little odd.

Yes, from one perspective that particular thread is asking for some far out stuff - but hey, it's a brain storming session - that's what your supposed to do.

I also found nothing in that thread that was malicious against druids (thank Tunare), although someone did say that snare was unresistable (which we know isn't true, but that's a small point).

Me personally, I don't read EQ Clerics. I see enough malicious comments from the bitter clerics posting here - I don't want to invite myself to see more. I know that the bitter clerics certainly don't represent everyone, but honestly, the nit picky details of the cleric class don't interest me.

One funny thing about that thread tho - a certain cleric made two *cough*well thought-out posts*cough* (first one saying that shamans and druids should get rez, that would fix everything and the second one saying that the 4% XP that one loses when one gets a rez should go to the rezzing cleric, it's "the least SOE can do") and not a single cleric posting afterward even acknowledged him.

/snicker

Aaliane
01-23-2003, 11:41 AM
The only reason I picked that particular thread is because it is a brainstorming session. I was just trying to point out that regardless of how far out they were getting, none of us were over there complaining about them wanting that stuff. Yet we discuss reducing our heal agro and the board fills up with people saying that it shouldn't change. Imagine if someone started a thread stating that druids should get ressurection because death is a part of nature and we are Nature's Children (except those lost Karana Druids ;) ) as class balance. **Please note** I was only using this as a topic - i'm not in any way suggesting it. What do you think would happen? I guess I'm just asking them to not use our board as a battleground. I love playing my druid. I hate no particular class for any ability they have. Can't we all just get along?

Aaliane Wyndryder
62nd Druidess of Tunare

chenier
01-23-2003, 12:21 PM
We brainstorm all the time - more spell slots, changes to charm, animal mez, higher mana regen self spells, druid ports (before we had them in SoL), pet summon, better nukes, better heals...

I dunno...perhaps I just see it from another perspective - and I do think the heal "change" is a special case because it incites high emotion from both druids and clerics.

Aidon Rufflefuzz
01-23-2003, 02:09 PM
Lets not mince words...

Healing nerf.

Nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.

chenier
01-23-2003, 02:10 PM
/remembers not to mince words
/eyes Aidon

spank spank spank spank spank!

chenier
01-23-2003, 02:14 PM
If you wanna know why I'm *done* with talking about the heal "change", this is why: mboards.eqtraders.com/php...php?t=2380 (http://mboards.eqtraders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2380)

Then I got yelled at for not supporting my argument...anyway, it's their board and they have every right to say what they want and I agree with that. So I stopped caring about the change/fix/nerf because my mental health and stress levels are far more important.

That and spanking halflings. =)

FyyrLuStorm
01-23-2003, 02:32 PM
Just another board full of people who are ignorant. That is all.

I personally do not have any ambition of healing mental retardation on those boards.

I can only hope to effect change here.

The class envy and spite(filled with ignorance) on most of the other boards is so engrained, it would be scary if it were not more pathetic.

Dorian Brytestar
01-24-2003, 11:49 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just another board full of people who are ignorant. That is all.[/quote]

Ouch.

FyyrLuStorm
01-24-2003, 03:35 PM
No ouch.

I just skimmed of course.

If you want point out a post or 2 from people who *even* know what the hell they are talking about, feel free. If I drop my pager into a Port-o-Let, I'm going to get a new pager, not sift through to find it.

You(and the other clerics here) and I can generally have a discussion or debate about the issues for we at least know what we are talking about. We can agree on some points and differ on others, no big deal.

Most of the posts on these other sites boil down to this: "- to druids = + to me". I have seen this anti-druid @#%$ since before I started playing. I am use to it, does not mean I have to go looking for it.

Galamar
01-27-2003, 03:43 AM
I think people tend to get jealous of any class that can solo in EQ. Look at all the flack that Necros used to (and maybe still?) take. Remember when they could just FD at a camp and go to sleep while leaving their pet up and gain experience that way? ;)

Then the cries for nerfs shouted and that stopped.

Wanting what others have or getting rid of what others have has always been a driving force in EQ... especially if it is against a soloing class. :mad:

FyyrLuStorm
01-27-2003, 02:43 PM
"I think people tend to get jealous of any class that can solo in EQ."

I dunno.

I definately do not see the same reaction to Bards, Mages, Enchanters, Shamen, et al, when/because they solo.

I know there is a big anti-quad thing with far too many players. I just wonder if any of them have seen skilled Bards. Makes quadding look like killing moss snakes in So Ro.

As many Druids have been charmed with charm lately, I have started to see some posts regarding that, thread on front page of MB for instance.

BricSummerthorne
01-27-2003, 03:54 PM
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I know there is a big anti-quad thing with far too many players. I just wonder if any of them have seen skilled Bards. Makes quadding look like killing moss snakes in So Ro.
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My personal opinion, just mine, is that quadding is #1 on the player hate list. Nothing like having watching a person with 3 mobs race you for the fourth, then b*tch you out when you get there first.

Every non-druid I know regards quadding negatively. Well, except Wizards, hehe.

FyyrLuStorm
01-27-2003, 05:59 PM
Like I said,,,have you ever seen a bard?

While charm kiting, a druid can easily do 4 mobs in about 5 minutes time. With relatively zero down/med time. Making it about 3 times more effecient than quadding, for me at least.

Bards can do 12(6 times more effecient than quadding) in just a little longer, and are not constricted with the animal thing. It is dangerous of course, not my point. Just don't see that same class envy/hate applied to them.

TeriMoon
01-27-2003, 06:15 PM
Its still leftover from the young years when things are more of a struggle. Need a sow, find a druid, they can do that. Need a port, find a druid they can do that. Need something snared, get a druid cuz they can sow too...etc etc etc. Then those selfsame druids are "everywhere" (like CS) taking "all the spawns" for quadding. And we "whine" and get everything we want. And apparently we make as much plat as we want because we can solo and track. And we deliberately keep people from getting ahead in the game for our own benefit. And we train people whenever we feel like it just to be mean.

Plus, we have a reputation for being dumb because so many players almost exclusively solo for large parts of their career and don't understand how to group and how to fit in best with other classes.

So, now its a piece of lore woven into the fabric of society. It could have been any class, but we are the largest represented with the most number of useful skills that people envy and resent all at the same time. Its hard to change the culture of anything, much less that of a game where there is no regulatory body to put out propaganda to stop the hate.

BricSummerthorne
01-27-2003, 09:29 PM
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Like I said,,,have you ever seen a bard?
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I know what you're saying, swarmkiting is like quadkiting on steroids. But I've seen maybe 3 or 4 swarmkiters in 55 levels. Dunno how it is on your server.

If Bards were as numerous as Druids, then yeah, I think swarmkiters would experience some serious backlash. There's no way 3 Bards could consume 36 spawns, and not have the rest of the zone in an uproar.

Sikulle
01-28-2003, 06:30 AM
Well, howdy all. I agree with Frryl on this one, partly. I just usually stop by once in a blue moon to check the forums on classes I play.
My main is now a bard and quad kiting is a walk in the park. Personally the most mobs I have had lined up to kill is 20 and one which was Gullerback in Burning Woods.
The big difference is that druids can hit 4 targets at once and need to med, while a bard can do one at a time and it is work to keep them all together. Bards get flak for kiting near groups but other than that, its silent till a druid does it. Pick the zone carefully and receive no flak at all. To me, its not that class that needs a nerf, its the worthless players that don't know their class that needs a nerf. hehehe!!!
Swarmkiter huh? I guess I am that then. Nice nickname. =)
Why must it always be that this class isn't hated as much as another? /shrug
I play each class to the very limit of what they can do and hold no grudges or ill will towards anyone that can play their class. Problem is called common courtesy. Example while on my necro in Burning Woods. A druid was clearing the fort and was selective in not taking the Arbors, then rooting mobs there, and killing which made pulling very difficult. He couldn't be courtesy and thus, gives druids a bad name which is sad because the class is very fun to play, but to many can't play have ruined it for the ones that can and do play.

Ceniela (Main)
Human Bard lvl 61 with 20aa
Ayonae Ro
Master Twister

Sikulle Cernunnos (Retired)
Iksar Shaman lvl 59
Ayonae Ro
Master of 9 Trade skills

Satrrais Tigernmas (Semi-Retired)
Iksar Necro lvl 56 with 10aa
Ayonae Ro
Master Researcher

Muffoie Brittleleaf
Halfling Druid lvl 46
Ayonae Ro
Master Baker

dobbanz
01-28-2003, 06:15 PM
I swear to god, I read the whole thing and all I can say is, DOESNT ANYBODY THERE READ?! Pretty much every post from a druid complaining about agro involed comments like, "The mob was at 50% life and I only cast one spell, the heal spell, suddenly the mob comes barreling right for me and squish!" Also other comments just like that. What is the response? "You druids need to learn how to control agro better!" Yeah, how about all druids from now on wait for the mob to die before healing maybe THAT will keep them from drawing agro, although from the descriptions I kinda doubt it. :p Seriously, no matter how many times people posted saying they only cast one or two heal spells, nothing else, people acted like they were complaining that after a mere 10 chain casted moonfires, 17 ros sunderings, both dots and the epic plus several heals you got hit once! What a bunch of morons. (Except for a few reasonable people.)
Im starting to think that hating druids is just something that is ingrained in peoples minds now. Not too many people have personal experiance with a druid wrecking their day but since they have all HEARD of a bad druid they start blaming the class for one particular idiot. We get similar crap on the monkly business board, although to a lesser extent. We mainly only get those types of comments when we get the newest nerf and dare to complain lol.

Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer
Human Mob Compactor of the 52nd Cycle
And Almost Too Sexy To Live!

"If the healing agro is really THAT bad then it better get fixed fast!"

FyyrLuStorm
01-28-2003, 06:23 PM
I find that MB is pretty tolerant.

Certainly not a Graffes for example. I don't ever remember a thread(with several pages of posts) titled "Which class do we hate the most"(which Graffes did); with a majority by a long shot being druids.

Could be that many monks there, started as a druid. I know several there who are, self included.

dobbanz
01-29-2003, 05:38 AM
We are pretty tolerant. We just get occaisional trolls that show up, make the usual, "Munkz r d suk! I pwn jooz!" type posts. They usually only show up for gloat sessions after something negative happens to monks but we also get the random trolls for no reason sometimes. As proof of how tolerant we are, it takes a LOT to get yourself banned on that board. Ive been to boards where you make one post like that and you are gone but on mb sometimes it takes some serious personal attacking to get yourself banned.
Oh and btw, I am also a former druid lol. Got him to 45 and decided I wanted to beat stuff up and be NEEDED on raids so i started Traab.

Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer
Human Mob Compactor of the 52nd Cycle
And Almost Too Sexy To Live!

"Geez, if I still played id probably be close to 60 by now."