Sorry guys I am done sharing information.

Hunting spots, spell tactics, good exps, good money makers. The only thing this does it gets them nerfed.

I will still be here and pa(trolling) and will share any significant quest or information I find that doesnt seem to fit the mold Verant looks for to change.

Anything that we find significant - great tactics with charm, great tactics with harmony, and so on - I suggest you kep to yourself.

Rich and Alan have done more damage with the information we have given them the last few years than anything they have done to help us.

As far as I am concerned you can take this Cheal crap (nice caster balancing) and shove it. I didnt want it, I didnt need it. I only need it now because they nerfed the crap out of regen on my pets. I want my regen back on my mobs, I want my harmony tactics back, I want my solo exps.

Hunting guide can be someone elses if they choose to update it. It was fun, but I am scared to give out anymore information in the future. Only thing I will do is general information posts. Spoilers, we need to keep to ourselves.

Can't say I blame you much at all ligge

/comforts and hugs the halfling

Raey

Can we start a Silent Druids club? I don't post a whole lot anyway. Hunting Guide was one of my favorite forums, but it is counterproductive to share info on what we perceive as the best xp or loot areas and tactics if they are singled out for "balancing."

edit: i spell gud. rants are now editable! /rejoice

Liggie - Contact me please

sobe@afterlifeguild.org

I suggest you send this thread to Verant so they can see what they have relegated us to, but I doubt they will care.

I know you are right. I don't agree with the sentiment though.

Just look at the Grey.

Tactic->Nerf

Nerf->New Tactic

Tactic->Nerf

Nerf->New Tactic

etc.

That's just freaking stupid.

We had to adapt to that zone being nerfed, what like 4 times, with better and better tactics.

We adapt.

I suggest we come up with some form of code or something.

That is 'what they have relegated us to'.

Its disturbing that we post something neat we have come up with and instead of Verant going "holy cow, great job, cool ingenuity, glad you are having so much fun in our world! It is exciting as developers of such a cutting edge game medium to see you guys are thinking and playing and coming up with ideas we didnt imagine! Go players!!!" but noooo, we get "crap you arent supposed to do it that way it has to be like this.... NERF!"

I have gotten quite a few very nice emails - especially from someone I have missed dearly here lately *BIG HUGS CUTIE* I know many many people feel the way I do and Verant is going to kill communities like this due to their bull****.

Someone needs to point them to that EZBoard threads about how much communities like ours have increased the life of their game. Without us, Everquest is dead. Do you understand that one Alan? Rich?

Kill the communities that bring us together, then no players to pay your check... maybe you guys should kick back and realize that we play for fun and we communicate as a team on boards such as this one. You guys using our sharing of info against us is slowly going to run more of us behind the scenes in silence.

I am not some first time poster. Smedley was contacting me in game for my CS articles on the dead eqguide.com before most of you probably worked for SoE. If I feel this way and am vocal enough to bitch about it how many do you think are just going to cancel and go on without a word. While it wont be readily noticeable due to paid up accts for the next few months, I have 2 personal friends, thats 4 accounts, that quit EQ this week that have been around since beta IV. I know quite a few others that I have met in game or in this commmunity that have done the same. That speaks louder than anything I can possible tell you.

Any long timers know this isnt a personal screw you to the community here from me as I am ALL for sharing information, but the powers that be continue to use our candid attitudes against us and it is just not fair.

Some people may think it is nice when Alan or Rich come by and communicate but my first thought is now always going to be "crap what did they see today that they will nerf tomorrow".

In the future, they wont be getting that information from me. *shrug*

Don't look now but you've also been cross-linked to the cleric boards. *waves*

Oh well, my gripe isnt class specific.

Clerics had their hammers nerfed after 24 hours due to their own bragging.

Monks were beat to death for the same reason.

Wizards couldnt keep their wands in their pants and made MB teams and posted.

We are all guilty of being excited about what we can do and Verant has used it against us all.

They come to our communities and with open arms and claim communication and then they screw us with our own posts.

"Someone needs to point them to that EZBoard threads about how much communities like ours have increased the life of their game."



Just look at the poll at the top of the pages, that ezbord put in.

I know a couple of popular eq forums have banned internal sony ip's from reading/writing. Not saying it should be done here, but the suggestion seems to be happening a lot more recently.

Personally, I'd consider it no great loss to lose the one or two posts a year we get from a SOE rep/dev, and instead gain the (at least partial) knowledge that they wouldnt be able to use what we learn against us.

If nothing else, it would send a clear message.

Tia

Sounds like a fine suggestion to me. I'd much rather have the wonderful informational posts from druids like Ligge than Sony pandering.

While I fully understand Ligge's post and consternation (I'm sure I'm not the only person who's kept a couple sekret hunting spots off these boards for fear of nerf), one should understand that Harmony wasn't nerfed due to anything posted on this board.

The reason for the Harmony nerf was almost certainly due to improvements in the lull line for clerics and enchanters, and the fact that PoP has some outdoor zones they didn't want to make immune to the lull line.

We were not nerfed because of our own tactics from these boards. Not in this instance, at least. Very simply we were nerfed because, like Manaburn, Complete Heal, and Trods, there was no place for an unresistable lull spell in PoP.

Do I think they could have implemented the change better? Yes. Make the max level 49 and boost the level of certain mobs in PoP.

Dont kid yourself.

We have been bragging about our uses and tricks with Harmony for years. PoP just gave them a compelling reason to finally due what they have been thinking about a while now.

Thats like saying wizards posting about MB had no effect, PoP was responsible for it alone. Sorry, I dont buy it. PoP again, just gave a compelling reason beyond an no explanation nerf.

Sont - even though its NOT needed, psst Verant its called a bug!

Benevolence quest -I am sure Verant has never appreciated that we could pull Capt solo and do that quest with one group.

Rogue epic - Hell just got to the Safehouse and they all say use Harmony, now they tactics as per Safehouse is to pull them all and zone to River - /cheer Verant - yeah you made that work the way you wanted didnt you?

To name 3 things posted here OFTEN that harmony is still used for as of last week.

Ligge, I understand completely :(

And let me add my voice to the thanks that you are receiving for your work on the Hunting guide. Although my druid was beyond using it for quite a while now, it's nice for my army of alts to use from time to time :)

Verant has really been swinging the nerf bat lately. I have a feeling they are not done yet, either. If they could stop bards swarm kiting, I'm sure they would. Quadkiting has taken it on the chin in a couple popular zones, I expect more of that in the future as well.

This all comes from the fact that there still is no real competition for them. Last year, when DAoC was coming out, look at all the wonderful changes and enhancements we got, just to keep us all paying that monthly fee. Now a year later, we get the nerfage, when there's really nothing for people to switch to.

I hate it that they've made a game so addicting that I sit there for 2 hours a day, morning after morning, root/rotting gnolls and praying for a % increase in the experience bar. I used to play about 30 hours per week, but last year we had a baby and my life has changed. I have quit EQ numerous times, and cancelled my accounts (all three of them) twice, but I still get drawn back.

This change to Harmony really bites, especially if the upgraded spell is nodrop and only sold in PoP zones (as it looks at first glance).

Well, I got off the subject, but it is the rants forum after all :)

Just wanted to say thanks, Ligge!!

Gotta agree with this, much as I hate to say it.

The only *real* downside I see is that the real complaints that you guys have about the class, and especially class balance at the upper levels would heretofor go unheard by VI, were you to ban the IPs.

Kind of a catch 22. Many classes have gotten great things out of VI by the simple fact of VI reading those class boards. Wizards for years have been complaining about the problems with the Wizard class in the lower levels, and progressively VI has responded to those posts and implemented changes, evening out the Wizard class progression.

Obviously, the same thing is true for Druids, except that the attention that was payed was in regards to the higher levels, i.e. the new partial CHeal.

Either way, the players lose. Either they get their neat tactics nerfed because they talk about them, or they don't get their valid gripes addressed because VI never hears them.

Crappy situation either way. Definately a valid bitch though.

Shizz

I agree 100%.

A few months ago I thought VI had changed (loss of Brad = loss of Vision, or so we believed), but like many of us I was *so* wrong.

If VI hear about anything that will speed up the excruciatingly long levelling they set up, which includes a certain amount of death/XP loss, they WILL nerf it.

Simple fact, they do *not* want people to get through their content any faster than 'intended', and preferably not at all. Standard economic reasoning - the more people play, the more money the company gets.

Of course, one really nice solution would be to ban IPs from Verant. If they can treat us like crap, we can treat them the same way :)

I might point out that the developers gave us everything on our petition. I'm not complaining. Happy druid here.

Balance can be achieved in many ways. One involves finding the weakest elements and making them stronger. Examples include Druid healing, Cleric solo capabilities, Melee binding limitations. Another way involves taking the strongest elements and making them weaker. Mod rods, Monks, Harmony, and Charm fighting are examples here. Both approaches level the field.

VI finds suggestions on how to make classes stronger all the time. On the other hand, classes don't often go out and say "Nerf us, we're too strong." Areas like the Hunting Grounds forum, or threads that discuss high-reward tactics and locations point out the capabilities of our class. When it becomes apparent that these capabilities are unbalanced, the threads that were intended to help druids end up hurting them instead, by providing a target for the nerf bat.

Sure, there are a lot of good changes for druids lately. On the other hand, a couple recent changes took some unique, powerful tools away from druids. In the interests of slowing the "nerf from above" process, some have decided to withold information about future high-reward situations.

I'm sorry you need to do this, Ligge, but I understand entirely.

I have to agree that the Harmony nerf is one of the most negative things that Verant has done to us lately. REALLY stupid move guys. You just pissed of pretty much the entire Druid/Ranger community in one hit.

I've used Harmony for all sorts of tricky things, and now, that's all over. I also team with a Ranger almost exclusively, so it's really affected our fighting style.

Personally, I hate the Harmony nerf. If they wanted us to not use it in POP, then just write some code to make that spell ineffective there. Don't ruin Norrath hunting for it.

Ligge, I'm on your side.... maybe if we just post about things that affect us negatively, we'll only get positive results? :)
I guess other classes will now be justified in calling us whiners.

Verant has really been swinging the nerf bat lately. I have a feeling they are not done yet, either. If they could stop bards swarm kiting, I'm sure they would. Quadkiting has taken it on the chin in a couple popular zones, I expect more of that in the future as well.

Over the past few months I've played about 3 times for no more then about 10 minutes, and once I didn't even get as far as logging onto my server. They've nerfed my will to play as they did almost every single class I liked. They really need to get some brains and think about the players instead of their fat wallets.

I don't think I'll be playing everquest anytime soon but the memories of the good ol'days will still hang around always in my heart...

I hate to break it to you, Ligge. But that's not the reason harmony/lull was nerfed.

It was nerfed due to monks bitching about not being the asset to guilds that they used to be. I know, because I am one.

Just the other day, in fact, I was in a Kael raid. I was asked to split the veteran spawn near the arena. I did so without a hitch. I felt proud, as I normally do after I split a spawn. However, things got nasty and we got trained. By the time CR was up and running, the veterans repopped. Cleric threw a lull on one and single pulled himself. He did in one spell what it takes me in two FDs. It's sad, but true. I felt like @#%$ afterward obviously because it's unfair.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not. But just because something goes wrong doesn't mean you blame it on the Grove. Think things through.

Not trying to induce a flamefair here. It's your rant board, feel free to rant, heh. =)

Um, you just bumped a 4 month old topic to post something that has nothing to do with the original topic. He was not talking about the more recent nerf to the duration of harmony. He was complaining about how it seems that every time some druid shares that he found a new use for their spells or a new hunting spot that suits them well it gets nerfed somehow. I happen to agree with him btw, it seems like on EVERY board, whenever someone posts something amazing they did with a class ability, something noone even thought was possible, that shortly thereafter, soe finds a way to destroy it. Im personally waiting to see them make it so that necros pets die as soon as they fd, not 2 minutes afterwards, since that means necros can toss on every dot in their spellbook, fd, and let the pet tank while the mob dies with minimal risk to themselves.

Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer
Human Mob Compactor of the 52nd Cycle
And Almost Too Sexy To Live!

"Sure its a risky move but since it actually WORKS at times, soe must hate it."

I understand that and I saw that. I brought this up because as of late, more and more druids have been complaining about nerfs and junk. Most think it has to do with "sharing information on public boards" ... As that may be so, I want to discourage people from doing that.

Look at the monks for instance: we have been nerfed to hell. Seriously. Our mitigation and avoidance went from superb to @#%$ overnight. The kind folks at www.monkly-business.com haven't given up on the community, though. They still share tips and tricks openly. To close yourself off from your class community is wrong in every sense. I understand that he's hurt and feels betrayed but it's not the point of view one should take.

Don't blame your boards for your nerfs. Everyone takes the heat, not just you.

PS, I apologize for resurrecting a long-dead topic. =P

You don't think some of the monk nerfs in the life of EQ came from players bragging? Dig up some of the posts of monks bragging about kills, or tanking, or what AC they had reached. Do you really think that didn't contribute at all to the nerf?

Sony has sent a very clear message - play the game our way, or else. I also agree with Ligge, and I think it's too bad that that's what it's come to. Pick nearly every major nerf, until folks start bragging and taking encounters other than the intended way skills are left intact. Brag about it or share information and a new tactic becomes more common, then nerfed when it's percieved to be out of control.

In your case, monks shouldn't be tanks, so therefor if they are tanking they must be nerfed. FD shouldn't be for pulling (old nerf), so we'll change the way it works. And so on.

I think the highest mob a monk can kill is Lodi. It wasn't done by straight tanking either. It was done via raid buffs and high ID skill. Even then, it took a couple hours for the monk to whittle Lodi down.

This is not impressive. Every caster in the game can take Lodi.

Monks bragged about nothing. I roam all the major class boards and I can tell you now; druids brag about kills much more than monks do. And druids don't brag all that much either.

Monks were nerfed because the only equipment worth spending raid points on were items that were all/all. All/all items JUST so happened to have ungodly AC attached. (For monks, anyway.) Therefore, with the right HP gear, a monk could tank just as well as a paladin or shadowknight.

FYI, a mage pet can tank twice as well as a monk post-nerf.

Not saying monks should be tanks... It just diminishes our solo capability. What with harmony/lull, monks were not wanted in planar groups. THAT was the reason harmony/lull was nerfed. Monks everywhere were getting nothing. They sat LFG in PoTranq, begging for groups all because they couldn't tank worth a @#%$ to solo.

Put yourself in my case: groups don't want you because a druid or cleric can pull just as well and bring more use to the group. DPS-wise, they don't want you because a rogue brings more of that to the table. You can't go solo because you can't tank to save your life either. I, as well as other monks, have spent hours on end LFG in Tranquility.

Not giving you druids a guilt trip, just letting you know how nice you have it... even WITHOUT harmony/lull line. =P

Again, I apologize for resurrecting a long dead thread. I just want to get my feelings across on this subject. I've roamed and lurked on all the class boards a while now, Druids Grove being one of my favourites... and it's rather disappointing that people with as much knowledge of the game, IE Ligge, refuse to share information about their class ON their class community board. You gotta realize that people look up to you and respect you. Whether or not you're on the same server or not. =)

Yeah yeah. Monks are so weak, they can't tank anymore (like they were a 'tanking' class to begin with), druids are so powerful, yada yada.

Heck, I made a monk after the fabled nerf and they're still a decent solo class. So they can't kill dark blues as easily as they used to. Oh well. Play a warrior and try to go about soloing. :p

Old thread, old debate, new post.

Who had that 'Last Week' sign? I need it. ;)

I never stated they should BE a tanking a class.

They're mitigation and avoidance were nerfed. Therefore, all the AC in the world wouldn't save them. Monks relied on their DODGE, PARRY, and BLOCK skills to solo. Which, from an RP standpoint, makes soloing feasible, right? We could solo to 62 before. Now, you're lucky to get to 52. With a fungi. 42 without.

Just curious, Galamar... What level did you "solo" your monk to? 10? 20?


And as to your warrior remark, warriors are wanted in groups. They have enormous AC and incredible HP. Groups look for tanks all the time. Warriors are preferrable. Monks are not for reasons disclosed in my last post.



In either case... This is getting off topic. Which was about sharing and not sharing information with one's community. I was simply trying to show people that even the worst harmony/lull nerf would still leave druids as one of the best, if not THE best, solo class in the game.

Monks not wanted in groups? What are you smoking?

Exp group...get a slower (pref shaman or chanter). Get a healer (pref cleric, fallback to druid). Get a tank (pref SK or pally if well equipped, or a warrior). Get 3 dmg classes (pref rogue/monk/ranger, wizard works ok too).

Game can be played without those formulae, but god..monks bring both FD pulling and high dmg, and the ability to FD if the @#%$ hits the fan so in a pinch they won't need an emergency heal (ie if both monk and warrior are low hp, the monk sleeps a bit).

God every gorup I know of loves monks.

And yes, I have grouped in Tier 2 with monks and mage pets playing MA and it still worked just fine.

Way to dredge up an ancient thread though.

Hang on, this isn't some pissing contest to see who can kill more, or brag the most, or got nerfed the most. All this thread was ever about is how much communities are hurting themselves by sharing. Every class, I think it's fair to say, has done this to some extent. VI/SOE has been very firm about forcing things to be done THEIR way. Creative tactics that prove to be more powerful than the old fashioned group with the holy trinity get nerfed as soon as they become popular, as well as anyone who steps out too far from what is envisioned. There WERE monks bragging about tanking abilities - mostly ubers, yes. But when you brag, you bring issues to light. SOE reads these boards, and others. And Liggie was exactly right, it hurts our communities.

Considering that, in recent months, nothing at all GOOD has come from SOE being able to access these boards, and one could argue that many nerfs have resulted, I'm still for at least a SOE-free section where sony ip's are banned and we could talk freely without fear of nerf-reprisal.

If nothing else, it'd send a message. If they want a suggestion and bugfix forum they can damn well re-open their own.

Tia

I /agree with Tiane 100% :p

Glad someone finally posted this...

the only way to share is In game on cross server chats and hope no one is listening !!

nope, no nerf paranoia here !!!

I dont share on boards anymore cause of this, nerfage always follows = )

I agree 100%.

Nothing good has come from having the SOE people read these boards recently.

I suggestion IP banning all of SOE execpt form the general board.

I really like this idea.

If thye are going to use these boards against us, then we should at least make it inconvenient for them.

I'd love a forum where No SOE was allowed! :) I miss the sharing of spoilers and stuff that the Grove used to have more of. However, nothing would keep soe employees from logging on from home with a different ezboard id and checking those forums. As long as they are open to the public in any way, then SoE employees would have access unfortunately.

You people are silly.

No, the original point is a good one.

It would be very worthwhile to me. Don't see it happening though.

Where do we brag about killing certain mobs?

I think that latest brag about killing a mob wasn't even from a druid, it was a chanter.

So umm, go away so we don't get blamed even more for being the whiniest class or whatever in EQ and have like every class come here and tell us that we suck.

K thx bye :)

Here's one. I can pull up some more if you like.

pub149.ezboard.com/feqdru...=655.topic (http://pub149.ezboard.com/feqdruids24038frm7.showMessage?topicID=655.topic)

Now it is beyond just silly.

Terry Gilliam surreal now.




"Yes, why does there have to be evil?"
"I think it has something to do with free will."

How is this silly?

I practically ended the argument by saying I agree with Tiane 100%. I think every message board that has anything to do with SOE should have a non-SOE forum. That would solve everyone's problems.

All of you pointing the bull**** finger at me, I suggest you go level a monk to the mid 50's. The only person who has <strong>any</strong> right throwing the bull**** flag at me is Joolz. Ask <strong>her</strong> how hard it was to get a group post-nerf. Ask <strong>her</strong> how hard it was to solo post-nerf.

Trust me, I've TRIED it.

You know where monks are high 40's - high 50's?

SolB. Go @#%$ figure. While everyone is having the time of their lives in PON, POD, POJ, ETC... Monks are in SolB getting @#%$ for experience off bats and bugs.

Why?

Because they don't have the mitigation or avoidance to solo the hard-hitting luclin/velious/POP mobs.

While now, yes, monks are in planar groups, before the harmony/lull nerf, they were not.

Is this not the entire point? I never said monks couldn't get a group after the nerf. I'm not trying to get anyone nerfed. That was the the whole POINT of the nerf, though. Because monks were sitting on their asses LFG in Tranq begging friends to let them in groups.

Think about it. A monk's job in a group is to pull. Why do you need a monk to pull when you can have a druid harmony that mob that's in the way? Or cleric lull that potential add? You're not seeing the message I'm trying to get across: something had to be done to fix monks. SOE decided to nerf the classes that "became too powerful" as a result of the notorious monk nerf. If I had <strong>MY</strong> way, I would set monk's mitigation/avoidance back to what it was.

Nerfing other classes is always wrong. I'm just trying to <strong>EXPLAIN</strong> to the druid community <em>WHY</em> they got nerfed.

Silly:
4 month old post bumping is silly
The SOE IP banning is silly(MB silly, I smelled fd'd monk)
Link to EQDruids to make your point here is silly

Now to the rest of your post in no certain order.
I am not pointing fingers anywhere(track 7, ænima).
Sitting in Tranq LFG? Why are you doing that?
Make your own group, go somewhere and keel @#%$.
I am not going to go into the Monk Nerf(all valid points, even MB has given up on it though, I agree).
FD was never intended(the Vision™) for pulling.
When I play my monk I hate "your the monk, go pull"
Chanters make the best pullers in exp groups(which is what you are addressing).
I have no explanation for why a level 50 melee mob hits for 500 a round, and has over 15K hps, so I certainly am not going to address a melee class with raw AC equal to me going toe to toe, solo.
I love the way the new HoN works(Die Heretic!).
Compared to the iCH and Charm discussions, Harmony change is akin to bitching about Spirit of Oak.

Now for my question.
What has any of this have to do with the original point of not sharing info on message boards?

Original point was not sharing information, true. But the other point I was trying to make in the process is why druids were nerfed. It had nothing to do with "sharing information" at all. I can see how "sharing information" has gotten things nerfed in the past, yes. But this is not the case this time.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>4 month old post bumping is silly[/quote]

I apologized for resurrecting the topic in my first or second post. Let this drop. I tried dropping it by agreeing that we need a non-SOE forum, but apparently the bull**** finger keeps coming up in my face.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Link to EQDruids to make your point here is silly[/quote]

How is this silly? He asked for a post where druids bragged about kills. I gave him his proof.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>FD was never intended(the Vision™) for pulling.[/quote]

It wasn't? What was it for, then? Flopping and watching your entire group die on a bad pull?

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>When I play my monk I hate "your the monk, go pull"[/quote]

That's a monk's job. When I play my druid, I hate the "your the druid, snare this @#%$"

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have no explanation for why a level 50 melee mob hits for 500 a round, and has over 15K hps, so I certainly am not going to address a melee class with raw AC equal to me going toe to toe, solo.[/quote]

Sorry, I never said monks should solo in the planes. I would like to be able to solo DBs in EW, CS, DSP, ETC, though. Can you make that happen for me?

Stick around a while.

Learn a little about the posters here, and their posting styles, maybe even a little history.

I will start you of with a bit of trivia in that direction.

Ligge was the original/first owner of www.eqdruids.com domain.

I don't recall stating <strong>any</strong> correlation between Ligge and EQDruids. Kuolon asked where druids bragged about kills, I linked a thread where they do. He didn't ask me where druids <strong>on The Druids Grove</strong> brag about kills.

Sure, why not, I'm bored.

Several times you have mentioned, "I never said' or "I don't recall stating".
So let's just go by what you did say, k.

"I hate to break it to you, Ligge. But that's not the reason harmony/lull was nerfed."
You brought up Ligge. I made the correlation. If you knew the correlation, you would see how your posts are surreal.

"It was nerfed due to monks bitching about not being the asset to guilds that they used to be. I know, because I am one."
Um, this is more than doubtful. I am sure that you are a monk, that's not in question, your post <em>is</em> very monklike.

"Just the other day, in fact, I was in a <strong>Kael</strong> raid..."
I know I hate this phrase, and hope that it annoys you as much as it does me, "Nuf said".

"I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not. But just because something goes wrong doesn't mean you blame it on the Grove..."
"He didn't ask me where druids on The Druids Grove" contradicts it.

I mentioned the history part, because of the "...Think things through." part, partly.

"Not trying to induce a flamefair here..."
I think that is entirely what you are trying.

kthx
la~

I understand what you're doing now Ligge. I knew what harmony did a long time before it was posted online, but I only showed people how to use it. I didn't post for tens of thousands to see. I also quad kited long before it was popular, while other people were kiting the old way. I knew how powerful it was - I made 15,000pp and a couple levels in only a couple weeks in butcherblock. I did show people that watched me how to do it, though.

Anyway, on to my point. Giving tons of spoilers to huge communities like this is part of what has ruined the game. One could argue that it has allowed people to progress, but at the cost of the fun and sense of accomplishment attached to doing things on their own. Remember how happy you were to figure out your epic quest? A month later anyone could figure out how to do it, the only hang ups were a few rare spawns/drops.

I've personally read spoilers, just to keep up. People are forced to now. But things should be learned in game, not outside of it. The makers of everquest knew this. They tried to keep the game from being exposed so much through showeq and such, things that just trivialize the game. But people who make spoilers have just forced them to adapt. Look at it.. all of the "hacks" are being implemented into the actual game. It's so much easier now that it used to be. The bazaar, pet controls, the new ui, horses, buyable jboots and tinkerer bags...the list goes on. The way the game has evolved is not due to Sony, but the players.

<strong>It wasn't? What was it for, then? Flopping and watching your entire group die on a bad pull?</strong>


Verant said they never intended FD to be used for pulling. It was a get out of jail free card for monks, necros, and SKs. Get into trouble, pretend you're dead until it goes away.

Same way they never thought of quad kiting, etc.

Who the heck dug up this old thread? /boggle

The people responsible for the Harmony nerf were not monks on the monk board crying foul. Harmony was due to be nerfed for a time coming, and Rich Waters et al. made sure that they made it happen. As a matter of fact, the nerf was imminent, but I also remember the specific incident and the two specific players involved who showed -- in front of the devs -- how to exploit Harmony and who commented to the dev team that Harmony needed to be nerfed as if they hadn't thought about it earlier. Nah, I'm not going to say who these people were, but one of them was a druid player who has posted on DG before. And you'd be surprised at how many players are asking for nerfs behind the scenes. It makes me SICK how two-faced they are.

/yawn

Anyone wonder why I havent even been to this board in a month?

Some of you people are so delusional its sad. I have spent all of 30 mins reading a few posts here and there and I remember now why I havent bothered coming here. We seem to go through this once a year and then its back to normal again.

As far as this thread goes... monks had NOTHING to do with the harmony nerf. If you really think monks have that much power please pass the pipe, you need to share.

We, as druids, have caused our own nerfs more often than anyone else has done. One only has to spend 2 mins reading some off the moronic posts of L1ndara of how there is no risk in charming to see she has never really charmed in the way many of us have done so. She obviously hasnt put in the time as a solo charmer to know what she is talking about. Yet, she speaks as an authority on the subject as if she has 10000 hours under her belt as a solo charmer without a single death. It is those sorts of posts that mislead and misrepresent the true state of affairs and give SOE an inkling of where we have learned to use our abilities better than that intended them to be used and thus where they will nerf next.

I saw 2-3 posts on this board today that would cause me to take notes and follow up on the issues later for more nerfage if I was an employee of SOE. *shrug* You guys go ahead and continue to cut your own throat. Whatever floats your boat.

As far as that small snippet in the middle of this thread, yes I was the original owner of eqdruids.com domain name. It pointed to the same place eqguide.com still does today. I liked what Twilight was doing and I gave the name up, he was using eqdruids.net at the time. Hindsight is 20/20, I never should have let him have it.

Oh and Mossglade... get a clue. You are trying to incite people and problems where they dont exist.

See you soon.

<strong>We, as druids, have caused our own nerfs more often than anyone else has done.</strong>


Won't (can't) disagree with you there.

"Nah, I'm not going to say who these people were"

Inquiring minds...

That "we as druids caused more nerfs to ourselves" quote really applies to ALL classes! Think about it. WAAAAAY back in the beggining necros were bragging left and right about how they coulf give their pet two rusty daggers, fd, and go afk for the night at an exp camp and wake up a few levels higher! So what happens? fd now causes pet to die and giving weapons to a pet no longer effects its speed.
Monks used to brag about how we could solo dark blue cons, and tank just as well as a warrior of knight. What happened? the mitigation nerf.
Wizards had their mb skill and used it to farm every dragon with less than 100k hp as soon as they popped basically denying anyone else the chance to kill them. What happened? MB got nerfed so you can only cast it on the same mob once every minute I believe.
I could go on but im sure you got my point. Every class in the game has gotten nerfed at LEAST once seriously because they went around bragging like idiots and then acted surprised when Verant or SOE nerfed the skill required to do whatever insanely unbalanced thing they could do. Not even unbalanced, just something that THEY felt shouldnt be allowed. It stinks because it has taught people to keep their mouths shut about a new accomplishment out of fear that they will get their class ruined somehow.

Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer
Human Mob Compactor of the 52nd Cycle
And Almost Too Sexy To Live!

"I truly dont think soe even cared about how unbalancing mb was until they took out sont with it lol."

ebill non-sequitor post - just passin' through


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/comb foot hair

Hiyas honey :)

I realize this is an old post but I have to agree with the initial post. When PoP came out, I would manage to find a little niche somewhere...making nice but not astronomical experience. A week later it was nerfed, suddenly some mobs couldn't be snared/rooted or mobs that didn't have the ability to summon suddenly did, ridiculous really. I happen to prefer to solo when getting exp. I find it relaxing. I don't exploit or get 10 AA pts a day. I just like to solo. I belong to a huge guild and I spend hours and hours raiding with them. What is so awful about wanting to spend a little time alone? *Still really does not understand Verant after 4 years*