Gota a tell from Mage friend epic pet +mask and BO4 quad 79 max. 4k hp pet nuke the mob once get full exp
New posted MB high is 22k+
Max elnerics DD crit 5k+
Funeral pyre = 2200 pt dot
Necros can 4 stack

This is getting pathetic

A little class balance please

Grumps

You missed nonstop 4k crits from paladins on undead mobs. 1k and 2k crits scrolling by like mad by rangers. Enchanters able to dire in most raid zones having pets doubling or better 300+. Untouchable monks, had one tank an unslowed Lodizal the other day, didn't even bother to stonestance, Lodi simply couldn't hit her.

People thought I was kidding when I said druids need MB and CH. Yeah, I know I know, the cleric response "You have snare and port, shut the @#%$ up you pampered overpowered druids." The wizard respone "Druids are priests you shouldn't even have DDs! Kill all the druids!" VI's response *doing the happy dance with pencils shoved up nose, lampshade on head with fists clenched around wads of money* =)

Druids is the only class that can bitch about not getting 90% of the skills of 12 other classes + something unique to do. Sick.

At this point, we're bitching about not getting even 2/3 in our major lines. Don't overstate the druid position.

OK not all druids, but certain druids...

Your major lines just so happens to include virtually every skill in the game btw. I can't see how you can justify being "almost" as good as every class in their respective areas!

The above posters complained about:

- Mages, our [druid] pet is not good enough
- Wizards, our nukes are not good enough, and don't crit enough, and manaburn blah blah
- Monks, they tank to well
- Necros, they dot too well and can stack to many of them
- Enchanters, their charm is so much better than ours
- Paladins, rangers, etc., all critting for too much

1. the 22K manaburn crits are coming from less than 1% of the wizard population, whose gear happens to be incredible, and they're so rare to get greater than 9K regular burn PLUS hitting that lucky chance of getting the crit, makes these at best, unreliable.

2. EER Max crit with focus is 4498, costs 525 mana, and it averages around 4100ish with focus.

I missed that point that some druids complain that all druids can't do 2/3 of what 0.1% of the specialized clases can do.

What did you miss?

My best dot is 1300
best in game is 2200

my best dd is 1150
best in game is 2250

my pet is lvl 25
he might double for 25 against a moss snake

These are normal spells not something no one has.
AA can make it better or worse. In the case of Wizards worse is an understatement.


Dont care about melee im not a melee

And frankly enchanters have as much to bitch about as anyone

G

You are pissed because you should have rolled a wizard or a monk or a rogue.

OR


You are pissed because you are a general malcontent whose comfort zone is the state of being pissed.

Smartypus, this is warning number one.

Ma'm, you remind me of Samadhi. My apologies if I offended you.

I wouldn't dare post this on the wizard board, but I'm just confused about what the wizards think of our abilities.

1) Buffs? What buffs do I have that is wanted on raids? Not PoTG(Doesn't stack with cleric buff either). Not strength. Not DS. What do I have that is wanted on raids...honestly?

2) My pet would die to the first AE or riposte. Can't justify 600mana unless I'm gonna do 2K damage with it(2 wildfires)

3) No raid mob needs to be snared

4) My nukes are at LEAST partially resisted every 3rd cast.

5) You don't evac on large raids.

6) My heals...ahh yes. My heals. I can continue to be frustrated by letting people die.


Oh well....Nothing new to you guys I'm sure. I've read Smarty's posts here and on Graaffe's. He seems to be a very bitter wizard. And there are so many more threats to his class than druids. But hey, if it helps him enjoy the game, more power to him.

Racmoor

I'm only 46, but it does upset me that druids at my level can nuke NEARLY as well, + they can sow, heal themselves, dot nicely, levitate, port, buff (skin buffs that don't take a peridot), and so forth. I hear it changes at 51 with Draught of Fire, but up to now (I've played on and off for 3 years, taking loooong sabaticals from EQ) druids > wizards overall. Ah well, I'm not bitter, just proud, and I suppose sometimes jealous when I see the skill lineup druids have (at 44). Gnome Wizard forever! Gnome anything forever! (No offense to non-gnomes ok?)

Non of these complaints are relavent to anything less than level 60 Smartypus.

But..but.. they took away the 10% healing penalty!
Good mother Tunare, is that not enough balancing for you people?
/sarcasm off

Bleh.

I agree, we need a killer ability. And don't give me that BS about our ports or us being jack of all trades as being our killer ability. we need a real one. Necros get good DoTage, wizards get nukage, clerics get healage, melees get damage output + health, enchanters/shamans, essential for any group/raid, so don't get me started.

Smarty,
Up until now I have been avoiding responding to your posts but what the hell...

You stated above that at your level druids nuke as nearly well as wizards. I beg to differ.

At 44 you get two new nukes.
Conflagaration
Mana: 250
Class: Evocation
Casting Time: 5.5 seconds
Recast Time: Instant
Actual Effects: Target: Direct Damage (606 - 625)

Force Strike
Level: 44
Mana: 250
Class: Evocation
Max Duration: Instant
Casting Time: 5.5 seconds
Recast Time: 12 seconds
Actual Effects: Targets: Direct Damage (545 - 625)

One has instant recast and another has a 12 sec recast. You also get enticement of flame, but unlike you I will NOT throw spells you seldom use in your face like you have(BooBoo anyone?) Let's compare those to druid spells that are being used at that level.

Name: Calefaction
Level: 44
Mana: 250
Class: Evocation
Type: Fire Based Single Target Direct Damage
Max Duration: Instant
Casting Time: 2.5 seconds
Recast Time: 45 seconds
And the one other one we would use would be from LEVEL 39.

Name: Firestrike
Level: 39
Mana: 155
Type: Fire Based Single Target Direct Damage
Max Duration: Instant
Casting Time: 4.6 seconds
Recast Time: 2.5 seconds
Actual Effects: Target: Direct Damage (282 - 302)



Now that I've listed the stats for you to take a hard look at them. Calefaction nukes for 450, whereas you nuke in the 600s. You have TWO discipline(magic and fire), druids have one nuke worthy at this time. Our nuke at 44(CALEFACTION) has a FOOKING 45 SECOND recast time. I heard you griping on the graffe's board about the 13 sec recast time on ice spear. Imagine a 45 recast time if you will.

Sooooo....at YOUR level...druids nuke for 300 in one discipline and you nuke for 600 in two. So you would like our nuking ability at YOUR level to be less than 50 percent? Honestly Smarty, when you say druids nuke as well as wizards at your level, I have to ask if you've really researched the facts?

I remember nuking in fear at that level. I used firestrike until level 49 when at that point I get a 600 point nuke and you get a 1050 one.

Racmoor

Smartypus and facts / research are generally not synonomous.

Druids is the only class that can bitch about not getting 90% of the skills of 12 other classes + something unique to do. Sick.

Smartypus, you just reduced yourself to "troll" status, as far as I'm concerned. You either have no clue at all, or are attempting to provoke flames. Either way, I won't be wasting any time replying to your posts hereafter.

~Firemynd

Racmoor, alternating Calefaction with Firestrike gives a good sustained damage output with respect to direct damage. Not as good as chaining off Conflagration, but it is up there. Ah well, sorry if I sounded bad.

you know what I think would totally solve this. Forget nukes or heals....just leave us with what we have now. Give us something totally unique to our class that can be used on a raid that nobody else has. It does not even have to be a spell that you can get at lower levels. Make it a spell or spells that you only get in the 50+ lvls. Either they need to tell us something is happening or they need to tell us to STFU and play the game so some people quit bitching so much.

/punt charnas

FYI: Force Strike has a STUN component,so it's very frequently resisted......so you can end up getting no stun and no damage for your mana. I quit using it early. Conflag,on the other hand is a VERY good spell.

Dlaren (wiz)

FYI, a 60 paladin with Slay Undead 3 and a Uber 2hs weapon will Slay for 4k about once every 3 RL days. Most Slays are in the 1000 to 2000 range and they happen infrequently at best. In an exp situation you can go 3 or 5 fights with no Slay.