I really dont know how the rest of you all druids feel but i wanted to see if im the only one that feels this way that we are seriously underused in our healing abilities. In the guild i am in on Saryrn server i constantly hear Ok Clerics get your heal chain up, Clerics Keep main tank up Clerics blah blah blah. Now im not saying clerics are bad Tunare only knows i love em, but ive compared logs to clerics vs druids healing and by god we land more heals than some of them if it wasnt for us spam healing half the tanks would die. I mean come on with My GoD healing spell plus all healing aa's and my Elemental armor healing i can do a fast heal for 3046 or something like that in 3.8 seconds little less time with BOR. Now i was in a KT group the other day and myself and another druid were the Main healers and the cleric was hydra from a different guild the clier can other druid were on the side in case of emergency for rezzes we never used the cleric once in 5 hours the cleric got sooo bored she logged they hydra and played her main. Now this included 4 names in which i also got my DD fire spell hehe but thats another story. Anyone else feel like we are sometimes underappreciated for our healing abilities.

Well to answer your question. Yes and No. In some cases depending on the guild we are underused. But in most high end guilds, Druids are pretty well utilized. Our job is to keep up RT and spamn heal the MT. The reason you see us healing more than clerics is obvious. Clerics CH we Spam Heal. Against Higer End Mobs we can and have kept MT alive but its very dificult.

1) I spam heal alot, they use bigger heals. So it makes sense that we heal on average more. Because our heals do LESS so we have to cast them more.

2) We have no Group heal, so we have to cast 6 times to heal our group, they have to cast 1 heal.

3) for the love of Tunare, the ENTER key is your FRIEND.. :bonk:

I do get annoyed sometimes on raids that RL always ask "Clerics gtg?", etc. Makes me feel underappreciated. But usually I don't let it bother me. =)

Last raid I was on, RL called "clerics gtg" and I said in /rs "40m". RL replied back to me in officer channel, "you don't count chen", so I told him "oh okay, I'll just nuke." Twits. =)

(btw, I was teasing, and the officers knew it...I have experimented before where I did not spam the MT and the raid wiped - so I know I am an integral part of the raid.)

Cleric spam heal > druid spam heal.

Callahad

The best thing you can do in your guild is tell other druids what a good job they are doing, keep the morale up for each other cause noone else does. In my Guiild we have a Druidchannel that we use during raids and sometimes during grind sessions. We chat have fun, also call out MGB instructions etc... But one of the greatest things I can say this channel gives us is a bond and morale.
Chubbs

BTW we just took down Cornaiv for the first time on Monday!!!

The best thing you can do in your guild is tell other druids what a good job they are doing, keep the morale up for each other cause noone else does. In my Guiild we have a Druidchannel that we use during raids and sometimes during grind sessions. We chat have fun, also call out MGB instructions etc... But one of the greatest things I can say this channel gives us is a bond and morale.
Chubbs
Well put. We do the same - spam our heals there, call MGB rotations, talk about gear, make sure everyone's doing okay, shoot the ****, whatever. =)

Hydra?

3.8 seconds is too long for a so-called "fast" heal. Too often, by the time my fast heal has landed, the cleric landed their faster heal. And by the time your client is notified of their heal, it's too late for you to duck. We need a 2 second heal. I'm tired of wasting mana and precious time healing people who don't need it by the time it lands.

Well, I'll take a cleric on any day. No armor, no buffs, no weapons, no heals, no pets! Just me and cleric girl/boy hand to hand and duke it out!

Oh.. wrong kinda fight :P

Since the Luclin rebalance the game has been too overly cleric dependent. There was an opportunity to reduce their power and mutiny was in the air. SoE bowed to the clerics and druids and shammies have to live with the consequences. Not much we can do but cry in our soup and be unappreciated for keeping the rest of the raid alive.. oh but they dont matter either.

Azria "Let 'em DIE" Moonwing

While this is much more in the upper end of healing, Clerics generally dont use their "quick" heal for quick heals, they use Light, because their quick heal is really weak base, and with 30%+10% spell haste light, like infusion is a pretty fast heal..

Clerics "fast" heal is generally divine arb, (.5 seconds) but group only, yes I know its technically not a heal but its close.

In GoD, I like definatly like having druids around in a few encounters, being able to heal from 200 range is a nice ability on certain encounters, espcially ones with short range gflux.

Glad to see im not alone in this dept. And i really like the suggestion of creating a druid channel like we have in our guild for other classes. I have brought it up before numerous times and it has come with positive and negative feedback the negative was Not another channel bah think they were just the lazy ones heeh.

I am unfortuately the only full time druid in my guild.. so is it okay Chenier if i give you a tell and ask you to tell me what a good job i am doing? LOL

/shrug. I am the GL/RL for my guild. I ask "Clerics gtg?" I never ask Druids gtg - because we always are. Clerics are lazy good for nothing bums that AFK and often have trouble counting to 4. Just realize your RL is asking the clerics if they are ready because he expects they are not. He/she knows the druids are on their game, so there is no need to ask.

It doesn't actually have to be malicious you know. It could just be a reflection of the fact that a CH chain takes time to start up and isn't very flexible. Or put another way you don't really have to organize or pre-start spam heals. Once clerics are spamming fast heals as well (which seems there goal) I imagine it will become "healers".

you have to help spam heal the MT only because you can't find 15 clerics. otherwise Cleric patch heal > druid patch heal.

It doesn't actually have to be malicious you know. It could just be a reflection of the fact that a CH chain takes time to start up and isn't very flexible. Or put another way you don't really have to organize or pre-start spam heals. Once clerics are spamming fast heals as well (which seems there goal) I imagine it will become "healers".

*sniff* Thank you.... Its nice to have a druid sticking us up for us lazy good for nothing diva clerics that guilds cater to and always get the best loot because we are clerics and divas and lazy and good for nothing and exist only to see that druids are nerfed at every turn and all classes must continue to bow down and worship us forever or else we will show up on their message boards and type ridiculously long run on sentences which are really more a stream of babbling nonsense consciousness designed to "pacify", and you thought it was nerfed, haha, our foes into falling asleep so we can masterloot all the gems and have bank accounts that reallly number in the beeeeeelyons and beeeelyons of platnum all the while getting 40-50 invites to groups as soon as we log in and...

"Excuse me, Mr. Zarros?"

Yeah?

"Its time for your medication sir."

Oh poo!

I'm delighted when the clerics are healing and when I'm left out of a chain heal rotation. It means I can Nuke, nuke, nuke... Yay :)

Thicket

In my guild the clerics and druids use the same healing channel. And sometimes as a group we're called "the clerics", which can be funny, especially if I'm the one running the CH chain.

/shrug. I am the GL/RL for my guild. I ask "Clerics gtg?" I never ask Druids gtg - because we always are. Clerics are lazy good for nothing bums that AFK and often have trouble counting to 4. Just realize your RL is asking the clerics if they are ready because he expects they are not. He/she knows the druids are on their game, so there is no need to ask.

I generally dont ask Druids if they are GTG, because 95% of the time they are, or in the rare case they arnt, they notify me when I ask clerics.

Well our raidforce uses druids for spam heals a lot, and we know what to do. Our raid leader politely asks us if the MT is dying for some reason. Actually let me say that again: any druid that isn't fast healing is kicked from the raid. :)

In my guild the clerics and druids use the same healing channel. And sometimes as a group we're called "the clerics", which can be funny, especially if I'm the one running the CH chain.

Yep - its the same in my guild . Not only have I run the CHC, but I have also done the MainHeal (MH) duties for the clerics - organizing what heals and when for how much on who yadda yadda yadda...My GL/RL's tend to go with experience over class - I am pretty well the only 'active' druid in my guild - so its rare that I miss a raid. They usually ask 'healers gtg' not just clerics because we also have some very active Shaman mains (the GL among them). We tend to work together to handle healing. Im very happy to be in a guild where regardless of whether you play cleric/druid/shaman you are treated with the same respect and given the opportunities based on what you know and not what you are.

I feel pretty overutilizedin my healing abilities. Heal this, heal that, join ch rot, planeshift isnt that bad is it, use a rod if your running low.
- bah I'm a wizard that can heal not a cleric that can nuke!

The use a rod thing is quite annoying, I think I used 5 the first time we killed Xegony.


Anyway, we use druids almost as often as clerics for our CH rotation. As a european guild on a US server its unusual to get a full 72 man raid, our first quarm kill was with 53 people.

Last week our CH rotation for most of time was 4 clerics, 3 druids. Being in a CH rot if a mana tap or planeshift lands is a bit nasty, but manageble with practice. With 11k+ tanks our CH is barely a 50% heal so were far from the ideal choice.

We have pretty much used druids in CH rot or rampage rotation/spam since the start of PoP. In the good old days of VT I got to nuke, occasionally having to spam heal a RT.

The place I have really stuggled to heal is uqua, trying to keep heals as late as possible to not get aggro but still keep the tank alive is virtually impossible. Divine arb is almost a must.

On evrage there many more bot clerics then bot druids, so you need to make sure that the 2box clerics are focused on healing.

Yesterday I was in a group and was told by the group and the cleric in group that I am a good cleric. I was like wtf! I am a good druid :P when I want to be a good cleric I play my cleric! Druids healing doesnt make us a cleric, it makes us an extremely diverse class thus useful in raids. We can patch heal, fill in heal rotation spots. Debuff, nuke, cure ailments and generally make everyone happy by blowing leaves on them!

Very different classes, very different roles :) In my opinion druids vs clerics in antagonizing. We are all there for the same purpose, to kill whatever it is we are there to kill and keep people alive to do it.

Yesterday I was in a group and was told by the group and the cleric in group that I am a good cleric. I was like wtf! I am a good druid :P when I want to be a good cleric I play my cleric! Druids healing doesnt make us a cleric, it makes us an extremely diverse class thus useful in raids. We can patch heal, fill in heal rotation spots. Debuff, nuke, cure ailments and generally make everyone happy by blowing leaves on them!

Very different classes, very different roles :) In my opinion druids vs clerics in antagonizing. We are all there for the same purpose, to kill whatever it is we are there to kill and keep people alive to do it.

Well half right. Clerics don't help kill anything, while we both can get the healer invite, a druid is far, far, far more likely to get the DPS invite (probably with the thought of being a backup healer as a perk) than a cleric ever would.... ;)

Oh and grats on getting a compliment on healing! I can't remember the last time I ever got one.... :cry:

They have to do something ot make the clerics feel useful. I mean we all know Druids > clerics anyday. Why they give clerics rez and not druids you ask? well Good druids dont let ppl die! Thus rez is not needed!! Hoozah! And on the CHeal rotation, my guild does a 2 druid one spot rotation deal for druids. (if they are needed) so example: 1. clr 2.clr. 3.dru/dru 4.clr. But in any case 2 druids spam healing > 1 clr.

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They have to do something ot make the clerics feel useful. I mean we all know Druids > clerics anyday. Why they give clerics rez and not druids you ask? well Good druids dont let ppl die! Thus rez is not needed!! Hoozah! And on the CHeal rotation, my guild does a 2 druid one spot rotation deal for druids. (if they are needed) so example: 1. clr 2.clr. 3.dru/dru 4.clr. But in any case 2 druids spam healing > 1 clr.

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Aint that the truth. Damn SOE, they nerfed my cash cow too! Now I can't complain about peridots anymore and ninja-loot all the peridots and demand all the diamonds, fire emeralds, emeralds, blue diamonds, and green clovers...err.. wait, are they after me Lucky Charms too?!?!?!?!?!

Course, it would be nice to be more interesting than just healing. Unfortunately, it seems that every time the cleric class is given a *real* boost (I think the last one was our hammers.... :eek: ) it gets nerfed to Hate and back fast. Can't have us pesky clerics doing anything but healing now after all. Maybe though, I hope, I pray, I plead, with y'all getting some much needed boosts we might get some much needed flexibility.

Seriously, designing and balancing a class around something as gear-and-content dependant as healing with nothing else? That's one of those ideas that just looks oh so good on paper.... :cry: