This came from a post atThe Steel Warrior (http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8941)


A group of Altera Vita guildmates and myself just completed a 21.5 hour exp grind to ding us all level 70. So i thought i'd post and share some data with everyone that's interested in what they can expect.

First, the entire grind was done in PoFire in teh second castle. All mobs were level 68. The exact time of the grind took 21:38:40 (rounded to the nearest :05). We killed 1255 mobs. That averages to 0.3195% reg exp/mob and 0.30877%exp/minute.

here's teh breakdown in # of mobs it took to ding each level.

67 - 261
68 - 291
69 - 332
70 - 371

Additionally, AA exp on these mobs at lvl 70 was right at 4%/mob as compared to 5%/mob at 65.

I hope this information proves useful and informative to those heading out this week to grind it out.

KakgumuI feel for anyone not EP flagged.
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I feel for anyone not EP flagged.

A yep..that would be me. This is going to be worse than 59 =( been hunting 2 days already ..mostly in Vexd and GoD. I think in 10% into 66...ouch.

nah, it's not nearly as bad as 59. I'm about 40% through 66 at the moment. I haven't even even started any serious EXP hunting yet. Mostly been taking a group here and there seeing what things are about. It seems on par with 61 to 65 so far.

Just a little comparison.

I have a favorite spot in HoH that I like to solo in. I can give you the following comparison:

At 65, it took x number of mobs for me to complete 1 AA.

At 66, it will take approximately 12 or 13x number of mobs to complete Level 66.

This was based on the fact that it took me approximately 2.5 AA's worth of mobs that I did at 65 to complete 20% (1 yellow) in 66.

Remember there are exp bonuses for fighting mobs even (white), just over (yellow), or significantly higher (red) than your level...you will get noticeably less experience for fighting blues that were once even or higher level than you.

I'll be first to admit that PoF is pretty much too good, and nothing really compares, however one of the biggest advantages that had, and its group, was it was straight, uninterupted xp, doing an xp camp for 21+ hours straight is a huge advantage over doing 2 hour vxed here, 1 hour tipt there, etc etc, with all the breaks in between, getting ready etc, trying to fill out last spot etc etc, thats just not as big as problem with these groups,

"At 65, it took x number of mobs for me to complete 1 AA.

At 66, it will take approximately 12 or 13x number of mobs to complete Level 66."


Are you comparing AAXP at 65 to regular XP at 66? Not really a valid comparison as aaxp is clocked at level 51 xp requirements if I recall correctly.

Not really a valid comparison

What makes it "invalid"? It is just as valid as any other comparison. I didn't say it was anything more than it is. I simply relayed my experiences. You can do what you want with that information. Use it, or simply igonore it.

I could have just ignored the whole post and not even bothered to share. More replies like this make me more inclined to do just that. :moon:

Well, a comparision to AA exp vs Full EXP isn't really valid. They are different beasts. You are comparing apples to Oranges.

Consider. If you can get 12 AA in the time it takes to go from 66 to 67:
You can buy 12 AA worth of abilities. That can get you either a really nice ability like Exodus or Dire Charm and a minor boost to healing, but that's it.

If you spend that same abount of EXP for a real level you get
-More HP and Mana (I got about 100 mana more by leveling to 66)
-Access to more spels which gives a general increase in power.
-Less Resists
-Skill increases
-Stat Cap increases
-Better Damage avoidance
-Access to better AA skills (many AA's are not attainable until you level)

So, which is more Valuable? Dire Charm for 9 AA plus Spirit of Wood 1 (as an example) or the list of stuff I mentioned?

In other words. 1AA is Nothing. 1Level is a lot. Comparing an AA level to a real level for how fast you progress is irrelivant as the end result is far superior for earning the Level

I think the interesting comparisons are:

Is it better to be level 66 with 50 AA or level 70 with 0 AA?
Level 66 with 150 AA or level 70 with 100 AA?
Level 66 with 500 AA or level 70 with 450 AA?

I wouldn't necessarily answer all three questions the same.

I think the interesting comparisons are:

Is it better to be level 66 with 50 AA or level 70 with 0 AA?
Level 66 with 150 AA or level 70 with 100 AA?
Level 66 with 500 AA or level 70 with 450 AA?

I wouldn't necessarily answer all three questions the same.


In my opinion levles > AA ALWAYS
Only exceptions being Canni5 and MGB

XP Bonus's (I think) are
Red
Yellow
White
High Blue within 5 Levels. Wish they's smarten up and add a new color for this.

That said, PoE going to go to crap around 68/69

Vexd can be just as good xp as fire... IF you have a charmer.

Kotd is about same per kill as fire, but significantly worse like 10-20 percent
due to speed of kills and length of time to pull. in fire you can have 2 or 3 mobs in camp

The title of the thread dealt with how many kills were needed to get to 70.

Aye, that was my group. The post is pretty self-explanitory, but I'll pop in to answer any questions if needed.

I haven't been able to confirm who was the first character and/or first druid to level 70, though I'm probably in contention for first druid. Thanks to my kick ass team of insanely dedicated friends... the ding came at 11:35central on the 15th.

First or not, it was a fun grind (if such a thing exists in game).

Good hunting to all of the other folks leveling up. :)

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well does not look like i will be getting lvl 70 any time soon since i dont have OoW yet but from what i have heard for you do anything in OoW you need to EP flagged and i am not anywhere close to doing that yet :(

from what i have heard for you do anything in OoW you need to EP flagged and i am not anywhere close to doing that yet :(

No so..Im not anywhere near elemental flagged and I can solo in a few places in oow, also the hunting in WoS is easier than hard ldon (at least in my opinion) Its not too hard to keep a group going in there with a druid healer -especially in the instanced zones in Dranik Scar.

I would really recommend it if you havent gotten it - afaik this expansion was WAY WAY better than GoD. You dont have to be elemetal flagged at all. Take a look at my gimp stuff (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=653397) and I do fine there!

i will have to look into getting it then this weekend thanks for helping me figure it out hun

I'm going to have to agree that this is a fantastic expansion for those who don't raid heavy, or have awesome gear. Our 16-man guild (6-8 usually active on any given night, and those who have 2ish pieces of ornate, or a coldain shawl/ring etc consider ourselves fairly uber) has been having a wonderful time exploring, and stomping around Noble's Causeway for nameds, Bloodfields, etc. (Wall of Slaughter's just a touch trainy for our tastes atm, but the night we were there we had no trouble with the mobs).

Nice drops, neat models, lots of fun. :)

Kinday

how can you not say that AA does not equate to level experience?

Here, let's simplify it.

Just for future reference, an AA point isn't equal to level 51, it's around the same amount of experience, an AA requires exactly 15 million experience, level 51 is just roughly the same as that.

Now, if we take Mannwin's post and replace "AA" with "15,000,000xp" then let's see how it "isn't valid".

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Just a little comparison.

I have a favorite spot in HoH that I like to solo in. I can give you the following comparison:

At 65, it took x number of mobs for me to complete 15,000,000xp.

At 66, it will take approximately 12 or 13x number of mobs to complete Level 66.

This was based on the fact that it took me approximately 37,500,000xp worth of mobs that I did at 65 to complete 20% (1 yellow) in 66.
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(37,500,000 * 5)/15,000,000 = 12.5, so as he said 12 to 13 times the experience required to complete 1 AA, that seems like a perfectly valid way to compare experience required to me.

For those that don't understand the equation.
(2.5xAA[20% of 66]*5[to equal whole level, 20% = 1/5])/1xAA = number of AA required for level.

Your post made perfect sense to me Mannwin Woobie, and as a 70 Necromancer (with an ex-druid main if you're wondering why i'm here) I can verify the same findings just from approximate observation, I guessed it to be roughly 10x more exp than an aa, so that would put level 66 somewhere in the 150,000,000 to 195,000,000 xp bracket. 66 requires approximately twice the exp as 65, level 59 requires approximately 90,000,000 xp. Start of 66 to end of 70 is well over 1 - 60 and a decent amount into 1 - 65. A wood elf druid requiring 660,000,000 to reach level 60, 150,000,000 for level 66 * 5 for 66 through 70 = 750,000,000, that doesn't account for that fact that 66 could cost more than 150,000,000 and that there is an increase in the exp required as the level increases.

Serberus

Math being my weak point, I always have trouble with the number crunching. I can say from my own experience( Grats me, I just dinged 66!) that while ldon xp was never great, now it is really bad. As for elemental xp, I still need RZTW for access to ONE of the planes lol, and as I am unguilded, it will probably be a while for me to check on that xp. I have found Nobles Causeway to be so far not too horrible.