I have a druid and a pally, 55 and 54, and I've been playing almost 2 years. On the pally message boards I get the "I hate druid" speaches all the time, and I defend us, cos we arent a bad class of rotten KSers and greedy quadders.
But last night I ran into one of the main reasons EQ players hate druids.
Me and a necro and a wizzie were fear kiting in the NE corner of the Grey. We had been there over 90 minutes because DMF had already faded once and had to be recast. While I am pulling I notice a druid named Keeleyne start to quad kiting right in front of us.
It's obvious she sees us, and yet she doesn't move, or acknowledge us in any way.
We are medding after a pull and while she is kiting she pulls a xahkra wurm and fears it right into our camp. We say please keep your mobs to yourself. Her response is "it was feared"
OOOOHHH ok, in that case it makes it ok for you to drop it in our laps /boggle.
So we dont make a fuss, we kill the wurn, and we try to pull around her while she quads.
Then on a quad of skellies she aggros a shimmering rock fiend. My group is lom after dealing with our own mobs and she roots the rockfiend directly in front of us. I tell her that, and she says "its rooted, I'll get it when I'm done"
Well of course root breaks and it aggros our group, the necro tries to keep it feared but he is lom, the wizzie and i are nuking, and dotting but the feinds are highly resistant, it eats the necro pet and comes for us. The wizzie goes down, I'm beat to one bub of HP, the necro casts harmshield and zones.
I send Keeleyne a tell letting her know what her adds did to my group, and that since we were there long before here, she should move cos her adds are killing us.
Her reply "It was rooted"
Thats funny, how does a rooted mob aggro my group?
She totally isnt getting the point, that her quadding in our camp is making it unsafe for us.
I try to explain this to her, that we had camp first, etc, her response "Everyone quads here, you have a group, go somewhere else"
Ahhh not only a rude druid, a stupid one.
I explain about camping rights, who gets there first and that its rude to barge in on a groups camp.
Her response "deal with it, stop bugging me, now poof go away"
It's obvious to me now why this lvl 59 druid is unguilded and soloing.
Never in my time in EQ have I delt with someone with such a self serving attitude. This person is the type of player that gives druids a bad name.
Shes the type of person who is so lacking in character she cant see that just because you CAN do something, doesnt mean you SHOULD. Its hard to convince people that all druids arent evil when you have people like Keeleyne playing the game.

Frankly, if I was stuck quadding in the Grey to get XP because I couldn't find a group..and some group had the ill fortune to complain to me about my quadding, I'd rip their heads off.

If I'm quadding, I'm pissed.

Maybe I was wrong then, and druids are just a bunch of ill tempered, greedy, mob hoggers.
Everyone should just bow out and let them have any spot they deam a "quadding spot" cos they are in a bad mood.
sure...

and by the way, we were fear kiting, so it wasnt like a regular group situation where we could just go anywhere and group.
Me and friend necro are just as limited in our grouping spots as anyone else when we have to pair up. The wizzie joined us later to help out. If we had a viable group, we would have moved to a different spot.

100 zones in the game.

5 or 6 where quadding is a viable option.

And people bitch cause we are taking all the mobs.

Post your rant over at the Concert Hall, too. Please.

Just substitute druid for bard in your rant.

Hmmm....guys, I'm surprised at you. You're defending the druid in this case?

She was wrong. I never quad near a group and I certainly wouldn't root a mob near a group knowing what would happen. Remember LOS in SoL....that's Line of Sight agro.

Quit being stupid. The druid was wrong in this case and should be dragged out in the street and beaten. Just because you can quad in a zone, doesn't mean people have to not xp in that zone so it's always available to you.

That's like camping guardian in seb, but an AoE group shows up and you have to leave because there are only a few AoE zones. I'm honestly surprised at the comments above.

Racmoor Kri'Shandria
Heirophant of Tholuxle Paells.

Racmoor,

Read the title of the thread, again please.

It implies that when one druid does something bad, that the whole class is responsible.



That, in my book, is just plain bigoted.


When some idiot bard intentionallly swarm kites 8 raptors over me, to get me to gate, do I immediately think all bards are like that. NO!.

When some friggen monk, FD's and drops a sh!tpile of mobs on me, on purpose, do I immediately think all monks are like that. NO!

...and if you ahve a group, you really shouldnt be hogging a quadding spot.... go to a friggin dungeon already.

Hrmmm, maybe you are misunderstanding me as well.
Why would I be bigotted against my own class?

I've been tired of reading the 'I hate druids' shyte since I started mine.
I personally dont know of another class that is as much maligned as the druid class is.
But here is one of the prime examples of what makes us look bad. And frankly I was pretty pissed off about it, so that's why I came here to rant.
And I wanted to say to others I'm glad the majority of us dont play that way.
But what I'm hearing is that the people that post here, namely druids, think that this behavior is perfectly ok.
When other people have seen us kiting in this spot, they move down about 1/4 of the zone and quad down there. No problems. But here is a player that ignores the safety and game enjoyment of others just because they want this spot whether its taken already or not.
So people think there arent enough zones to quad in? Thats cos the game wasnt designed for quadders. Now quadding can be a lot of fun and a challenge, but if I want to quad and I look around for a place, and all the good quadding spots are taken, I go find a group or hit a zone where i can root dot.
I DO NOT run roughshod over other players to get my way.

And if you read closely you will see that we didnt have a group, it was me and a necro fear kiting, for which you need a wide open space, and then a wizzie joined us for about 30 mins.
So you go ahead and try fear kiting in a dungeon.
I give up though, I was wrong about druids after all.
I will now agree with the people who diss druids.
And anyway, arguing on the net is pointless.

Nah. Most druids aren't like that. I'm not sure what's up with the people that replied to your post.

And to the poster that keeps saying go somewhere else and don't xp in a zone where people quad. Get a clue. If VI had wanted that zone to be only used by people that can quad then those classes that can't wouldn't be allowed to zone into it.

Oh why bother. That's such a loser attitude. I can only hope you're not on my server.

Racmoor

"and by the way, we were fear kiting,"

In my 3 years of exp I've found fear kiters to be just as inconsiderate as quadders. But my A Number One most hated class is......Fungi Tunic Iksar Monks. No other class of player seems to cause me more grief...on every server I play on and with every character I have I have had bad experiences with Iksar Monks with Fungis.

They will pull anything and as soon as they are losing they run right to my group to FD and let the fungi heal themselves. Last night in paludal caverns after repeatedly training my group, the ikky monk has the nerve to demand ALL of my shammy buffs while he is FD and while we are still fighting his train!

Hey Pacal,

How about you and I go over to the Monk board, and call them a bunch of names and stuff.

Tell them that they are all munky bois, and junk and that thier rep is for sh!t.

Come on, let's go.


/smile
/nod

Inconsiderate players are not a druid monopoly.

Yes people get jealous when they see quadding taking a big share of mobs in a convenient pull area. They also get pissed when an AoE group takes half seb.

Druids I think are hated mostly due to envy. Those who see us think "god they get so much - they can move around easily, they solo well when I cannot, etc" Well it is the grass is always greener.

A druid hearing a cleric complaining about soloing thinks "give me a F'ing break, I dream of getting a group as easily as you.

A druid hearing for the umpteenth time that porting is a godsend mutters a little about the 8 million tells we get every day asking for a port. How many times has some random bastard sent YOU a tell saying you should port him RIGHT NOW cuz you have the ability and it is all you are good for? I was ALMOST told that by someone in my guild last night...I was ready to lose my mind.

Is this worse than what others do? For instance, two days ago I was in lev tunnels in Chardok soloing for a bit...about midway down working my way to slave pits. Suddenly a MASSIVE train, including one of the nameds from the bank, is running past me. I gated barely in time. No shout, no warning...just some stupid tank running to zone out thinking how cool they were for being able to do it and making some BS claim they had called out the train (they had not).

Every class has its share of morons. There are more mid level druids than any other class, and on the surface it seems we have a lot to envy, so it makes peeps bitter.

Can't really judge the vast majority of druids by what one did any more than I can say I hate all warriors cuz the one above gave me a nasty train.

Do they go to bed dreaming of our evil deeds?

"But last night I ran into one of the main reasons EQ players hate druids."
This is why. In that statement. Judging one as characteristic of all.
Was the intent to educate the "morons" by giving an example of someone ya thought was an obvious fool?
Fear-kiting has always been dangerous. More so than quad'ing. Necro's die to quad-kiters constantly. Add lag and it can be almost depressing.
You had an exchange with an individual. My advice is go to your server's board, and flame the hell out of em, if what you need is to let off steam.
Or perhaps be a little clearer with your intent so folks reading this post won't get the wrong impression.
I do think that folks should be mindful of their environment and considerate of other's space. And I am sure most would agree with me and you on that point. Sometimes it is not clear though.
As an example, a level 49 melee is fighting by the SS tower in CS... he gets aggroed from other's trains while fighting because of his level and where he has placed himself.
Now lets say this person had arrived in an empty CS. He pulls from the ledge. A wizard comes into the zone, then two more.
The last wizard wishes to pull from the tower in order to snag a few mobs to kill. If this wizard does pull from the tower, in all likelihood the melee will get aggroed. The wizard will bitch because some low level is splitting his kite. The Melee will bitch because he is getting unwanted aggro, directly due to the wizard's actions.
Who is in the right?
The Melee if he stays and the others respect his space will hold court over potentially 8 static mobs even though he is only pulling from one or two spots. The wizard will continue to train the melee if he continues to pull from the tower area.
Many folks looking at this situation would say the melee was an !@#$ for taking such a vulnerable position.
Look at the raptors in TD. At least on Vazaelle the two islands are cut into three distinct camps. A person could split them up differently though. And it happens sometimes. And usually if another comes along and wishes to share the area large problems most times occur. That is if the first person keeps using their same pulling tactic and not switching to the "status quo" camp pulls. The tactic of the first person to arrive is not the most efficient for the area, and both suffer for it. Not only with lack of efficient pulling, but also potentially deadly trains.

A moron is a moron, whatever class he plays... and just because someone is a druid doesn't make them a moron... we all know that.

However I think the druid class has the best "tools" to become a moron... the ability to quad being one of the biggest, as well as various abilities to hog camps, steal kills etc. Not only that, but we have the most desired spell in the game, which makes them demanded. Demand leads to stress, stress leads to frustration, frustration leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to being a complete git. Add that with teleports, and a druid can be a moron in several places in one night.

That's the reason we're hated... IMHO

I disagree with you Cloud.

A FDing monk has more tools to be an a$$ than any druid will ever have.

Considering that they level with never the real threat of actually dying,,,makes for a really bad combination.

And I still say we're not hated.

Been playing a druid for 21 months, leveled 1-60, and never run across this "Druid hatred" I keep hearing about here.

Now, not particularly wanted at the higher levels for groups and/or raids/guilds, yes. But hated, as a class? Never seen it.

Tat

I sure have. It might depend where you go...

I still remember zoning into Cazic Thule once, a while ago, and putting up a /ooc LFG.
One said something snide about a druid looking for a group being desperate, then someone else went on to how druids were only in this zone for loot... then another chimed in to say how useless we supposedly are in groups... and on and on it went. Didn't stay on for long that day.

Quote:
Druids I think are hated mostly due to envy. Those who see us think "god they get so much - they can move around easily, they solo well when I cannot, etc" Well it is the grass is always greener.

LOL

Thanks for the laugh

hehe, well i've had fun reading the posts =)
clouds point was interesting, potential tools for being morons.
i've seen lots of anti druid talk, but theres lots of all class mumbling and grumbling, except pallys maybe? they just bitch enough about themselves, so no one else needs to.
and the person who said i should have gone to my own boards and flamed there instead was right as well, i never should have brought this here. rant section or not, i was flaming, which is stupid and pointless.
rudeness in people unfortunately stands out more in this game than the people who play with consideration for other gamers, so its easier to focus on.
I imagine that of the 2600 people or so on my server only a handful are the mob scraping FDing monks, the warriors the tain zones on dares, the round-em-up bards, or the rude, moronic, egotistical goobers like the druid i ran into.

Iksar Monks with Fungis.

You realize that 1 out of every 3 fungi iksar monks are actually druid twinks?!

Damn those druid bastards and their dangerous ways!

Hmm...I need to run my monk back to Cab to rebind and train tonight after work.

Heh I doubt the rogues are ever jealous of anyone ; ).

But it IS what flamers of the clerics, pallies, necros, mages, chanters, etc tend to post.

Believe me. I have read again and again how my abililty to port to Surefall glades is more desireable than being one of the classes that will get tells from all around the game world asking you to come join their exp group...

mmm... Shouldn't have been taking a quad kiting spot because it belongs to Druids? I love that. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like I swallowed a kitten.

Here is my random attempt to defuse the situation:
How neat would Vah Shir Druids be?

Its hard for butt holes to get to high levels with most classes. Butt holes generally don't get groups, and most classes have a much harder time soloing, especially at higher levels, than Druids.

I think this tends to make the concentration of high level butt holes Druids. None of the other butt holes can get past L35 or so.

"None of the other butt holes can get past L35 or so."

Except monks and bards.

Fastest leveling soloing classes, that have absolutely no fear of death.




The thing that makes them different is....

When was the last time they got begged to do anything for a beggar? And got told,,,not right now,,,,or WORSE,,, Sure, just give me some plat for my time.

ROFLOL, I think reading most of the replies here have actualy made my IQ lower.

That's right, it's the groups fault they had been camping in an area some could quad in. you CAN quad almost any where, it is just not safe. just like agroup CAN camp any where, but it is not always safe.

The druid was a prick. not suprisingly so. alot of people are pricks in EQ. Druids have the most. the reasons are simple. most classess to raise solo take a considerable ammount of skill, and determination. Druids have travel, and great solo ability and good grouping ability. espicaly pre 50. and soloing for a druid is easy as hell. I am sorry if you think quading is hard, but it is not. not at all. the hardest part is making sure your snare does not wear off.

as a necro if I am CS killing for XP, and decided I don't like this place, I have the option of asking for a port, or spending 30 min running to GD, waiting on the portal to luclin, then choosing which content I would like to hunt on, and running from the luclin port down to where over that might be. from CS to chardok for a necro is 9 zones, twice waiting for luclin portals. if you do not have luclin
it is 12 zones. and 3 boat rides (well two actual boats, and 1 raft) even longer if you are not evil.
For a druid. 3, with or without luclin.

"Except monks and bards.

Fastest leveling soloing classes, that have absolutely no fear of death."
Have you ever played a monk or a bard? bards not having a fear of death, man you are truly that dumb, or just like to look that way?

a druid will die about the same ammount a monk will solo. Yes I know monks get FD, but with mobs 35+ it only has about 10% chance to wipe the hate list, that means they come back as soon as the monk stands up. where as a druid will usualy have sow on, and can simply outrun somthing while heading to the zone. but what about the druids that solo inside. it's called gate. and most idiot druids do not solo indoors, it's not easy. you need some basic knowledge of agro and the like. sure bards can outrun mobs like you outdoors, but inside thier screwed.

I do not hate druids. I hate idiots. druids just make good class for idiots.

Druids bring a good ammount to a group, and a well played druid is always somthing I consider for an XP group. Druids are a utility class. they have a wider varriety of abilites, but cannot do any of the the best. Yet druids rarely get groups based on the fact that people rarely ever see what a druid CAN do. 99% of the druids I have grouped with did one role. that is it. 60% did one role badly. I have played enchi and healer, while we had a druid that only snared. when the druid left I healed mezed and snared. the group was happy to loose the druid, because he forgot to snare a few of the mobs. in that make up the druid should have been healing and snaring, with myself as a backup healer if he got LoM, as he should have been back up CC with root, or snareing extra dmg output, and back up healing.

So if you think you I should move, because you CAN quad where I can fear kite, we are gonna have a nice little problem on our hands.

Umbrae was 100% right. I've been having a lot of fun with my druid, and even began to grow somewhat attached to him I mean he's a fun char. But god druids deserve every single bit of grief they get. EVERY SINGLE BIT. Am I saying 100% of the druids are assholes? Nah, that's stupid to even think that. But the simple fact is this: new player buys EQ, new players starts oh... a Dark Elf Shadowknight (cool sounding, big hit for very first chars that make it to lvl 4 then delete.) While the new players is played that DE SK he sees the SoW spell, that's it he's a druid right there. I'm betting a huge amount of druids start this way.

People like to bitch alot about how hard soloing is, news flash:

Fear kiting is not hard
Mage pet fighting is not hard
Quad kiting is easier than both of those every day of the week and twice on sunday.

First time I started trying to quad I was expecting it to be tough... then I realized OMFG this is insanely easy with 10 minute low resist snare you have to be the dumbest bastard in the history of EQ to die on a quad. My druid made it from 34-48 mostly quadding, and died once from lag spike and once from LD, that was it. Never did a mob break snare or resist snare and pound me to death. Never did I have trouble getting a bunch of mobs on me (when I got too many adds I'd zone, very simple since I have a spell that makes it impossible for the mobs to catch up to me.)

This is when I realized why so many druids complain about quadding difficulty: because so many druids are bad players.

Well anyways I'll leave this thought:

remember, most droods are played by 12 year old kids or retards, so sometimes they learn kinda slow, be patient with them and eventually they will get the message to @#%$ off and die.

I love when druids train my nec, I'll unsnare your mobs all day long, PnP you say? /shrug I've done this to several @#%$ druids and have never had a gm or guide even send me a tell.

Man I am glad I came here. Just reread the darn posts and here this is why people hate you.

I have no problem with druids. I have problems with people. And in here I see a lot of people I would have problems with to bad they all are druids ah? But really thou druids get a lot of bad reputation because they do a lot of stupid things. Why? Well a long time ago it was so easy to level druids every 3rd char was a druid. They soloed and didn’t learn jack @#%$ or sold their accounts.

Funny thing is I play cleric on second box and so many times I have some jack @#%$ do bull @#%$ to my necro, die (oh there is so many ways to get em killed) and then ask my cleric for a rez. Fun fun fun.

Hedien Goeseek 60 Warlock of Mith Marr

Its obvious why people hate druids collectively, they are relatively easy to level (so are necro's if you stick to fear kiting or single targ root cooking), you guys are worse than spiders (can't be anymore than 8 metres from a druid at any time).

So because of the huge numbers and the relative ease of playing a "basic" druid (not learning any advanced tactics, learning how to group well etc.) you will get twice as many bad players.

Necromancer's are really the same, most people (and this does not exclude some necromancers...) have no idea a necro can mezz and heal. Just that we're no longer a popular class anymore (Pre-RoK necro and druid were about equal in numbers).

Also, gotta hate that druid in your group who constantly spams OMFG WHATS A <insert named mob in a different camp here>?

Wow, once again a collective set of replies from Necros. Once again, all linked here by one thread.
http://necro.eqclasses.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5650

You know what? I thought about looking at your post and actually picking apart what you said. After reading all of your replies a couple of times, I decided it wasn't worth it.

You few who have posted here have already had your minds set about the druid class, and nothing that anyone posts here will change your mindset. By posting in this thread in the manner that you have, you have pretty much formed everyone's opinion about you as well. It doesn’t matter if your secondary, tertiary, or even your fourth character on your eighth account is a druid. You haven’t succeeded in making druids look bad, you’ve succeeded in adding a few more trolls to the message board whole.

I will stand toe-to-toe with anyone who wants to have a conversation or debate about whose class is better than someone else's. I can probably bring up points about why any and every single class in EQ is "the most powerful class in the game." I can give you 101 examples of why necro's suck, but I could reverse that and tell you exactly why I'd want one in a group.

You all came here to troll and that's fine - you're in the right forum to do it in.

If it made you feel better to come to our "home," our "community" and say, "yeah, you guys suck," you need a new way to raise your self esteem; because if the only way you can get off is to try and stroke a fire fight between two classes, that's pretty sad.

Why don’t you come back next time someone links you back to our boards. We’ll still be here.

Stormhaven just somthing to think on.
my post time (7/1/02 9:18:18 pm)
time this thread was added to necro boards (07/01/2002 : 23:27:19)
Yes, I origonaly wandered over here from the post on the necro board, yet belive it or not, I used to read this site. I stoped quite a while ago, only coming here if I need to look up somthing specific. so after adding my coment to one thread I looked arround. if you feel that this in some way makes me a troll, as I find a thread, read and respond to it, by all means, please don't let me try and warp you fragil little mind.

I will assume your post was directed at myself, as well as the others of my class. if not then you should be more specific.

formalities out of the way.

"You few who have posted here have already had your minds set about the druid class, and nothing that anyone posts here will change your mindset"

Quite true, I think I summed it up nicely before, but will do so again for your bennifit.
Druids bring a good ammount to a group, and a well played druid is always somthing I consider for an XP group. Druids are a utility class. they have a wider varriety of abilites, but cannot do any of the the best. Yet druids rarely get groups based on the fact that people rarely ever see what a druid CAN do.
if you find some flaw in that, please let me know, I would hate to be spreading missinformation about an entier class.

"I will stand toe-to-toe with anyone who wants to have a conversation or debate about whose class is better than someone else's"

Good for you, are you looking for a cookie? for as yet I do not see one single coment about XX class beeing better than druids. I do see people stating how hard / easy it is for some classess to solo. I simply added my thoughts onto that topic. if you need help understanding that, I could go through some more of the post and site actual examples.


"If it made you feel better to come to our "home," our "community" and say, "yeah, you guys suck," you need a new way to raise your self esteem; because if the only way you can get off is to try and stroke a fire fight between two classes, that's pretty sad."

So far I have simply tried to explain why I belive your class is so hated, I do belive that was the topic of discussion in this tread, please clarify if I am wrong. because you class is hated for a simaler reason that mine is hated. we share somthing of a kinship in that fact, but if you belive that to be trying to start a fight between the two. Well if you do I see somthing in your future . . . Prozac.

"Why don’t you come back next time someone links you back to our boards. We’ll still be here."
reading necro boards for about a year now, linked to this druid site = 1, at this rate, you might just be wrong about that. . . .

You want to know when I hate Druids?

When 8 or 9 set up in Rathe Mountains in the Giant Valley, refuse to pull their giants off to the side--instead rooting them up on the plateau, or when they do pull them off to the side, they somehow get pulled to the side I'm on, and parked 15 feet away from me.



This isn't 1 or 2 druids. It's not even the same 8 or 9. It's stuff like this that gives your class a bad rep.

Umbrae said: So far I have simply tried to explain why I belive your class is so hated, I do belive that was the topic of discussion in this tread, please clarify if I am wrong. because you class is hated for a simaler reason that mine is hated. we share somthing of a kinship in that fact, but if you belive that to be trying to start a fight between the two. Well if you do I see somthing in your future . . . Prozac.

Damn skippy necros and druids have something in common. They're two of the all around "disliked" classes in EQ. Necros and druids rated as one of the most eBay'd classes in EQ when it first started up - mostly because they were the easiest to get to 50/60. Quadding or no, fear/kiting (or just soloing in general) is a very good way to get xp. Druids get the quad-kite and root-n-rot combo, necros get fear/kite and root-n-rot. Generally speaking, it wasn't until late-Kunark, early Velious that quad kiting really became a well used way of getting xp.

As far as the "starting a fight" comment, it's actually something your fellow necro stated first:
Nakht said, "Ya know, not to rag you personally, but there's already enough hate on this board as it is. No need to harvest even more with your grim reaper and post it here."

"Why don’t you come back next time someone links you back to our boards. We’ll still be here."
reading necro boards for about a year now, linked to this druid site = 1, at this rate, you might just be wrong about that. . . .

Oh I'm sure you'll come back to read the outcome of this rant. Rants are more enjoyable to participate in than a bland fact-to-fact conversation after all. I'm all for debates - love them in real life; especially when you get a good conversation going between two knowledgeable parties. In fact, we've got quite a few posters on the Druid's Grove that don't count the druid as their primary class, and quite honestly when they post in the General or Hunting Guide forums, they often add insight that we may not have always considered, and therefore the general knowledge pool of everyone involved is increased. A good EQ player is someone who knows their class very well, but also knows how the other classes interact. That's usually the difference between a good [class] player, and a good [overall] player.

I'll tell you what, Umbrae - take a look around the other forums and read a few of the threads that aren't rants. Hell, you might even feel like you could constructively contribute to one of them.

I don't have much regard for people who follow threads or links and just do a all around "yeah, me too" and then never come back again. It adds absolutely no substance to anything. I'm sure everyone here can pick out three times off the top of their heads of when they've been trained by a druid. I'm sure the same folks could pick out another three or four times that they've had a necro who FD'd near them dumping a mob on them. Everyone's got horror stories and everyone's been trained. It's not the mark of a bad class that it happens, it's the mark of a bad player.

If I went online today and got trained by a quad kiting wizard who had to gate cause his pull got out of hand, yeah I'd be peeved. If it happened to me every day for the next week by different wizards, yeah, I'd be really PO'd. I might even come to the Druid's Grove and post about it at which point I'd prolly get a few Grover's who'd say they've had the same thing happen to them. However, I wouldn't be stupid enough to go over to Graffe's and call all the wizards trainers. Yeah, I'd probably still get a few wizards that'd agree with me, but for the most part, I'd probably get told where I could shove it.

So you can come over to the Druid's Grove and troll in "Rants" whenever you'd like to. That's what the forum's here for (except for the fella who posted a single image two posts up, deleting yours).

If you feel satisfied just saying, "yeah, you guys suck," see you by and bye.

The Necro/Druid classes make a truly evil xp partner pair that not many players utilize these days. If you ever feel like coming back and sharing pointers or tips, or even thoughts in general not of a rant nature, we'll be here.

Thru my experience there are some very cool druids around but there are plenty of stupid ones.

The problem is not with the class but with the hands hitting the keyboard.

I am a firepot traveller and one day i gated to Tim Deep and decided to check raptors island exp. When i got there i saw plenty of raptors up and one druid medding on one side of the island. I picked up a spot to summon pet and everything. I pull one raptor and kill it, like 5 secs after that i get a tell from the stupid druid(this is the stupid kind):

Drood tells you: Hey i am camping the big island!
You tell druid: What? You can't claim a whole @#%$ island to yourself!!!
Drood tells you: Why not? Everyone does it!

Sad, truly sad... GREED ahhhhh, must....exp...tonight....i am.... bigger.... then ...jooo....get out..... of.....my ..... QUAD camp!!!

But i do know some nice druids. Ok now i have a couple of tips on how to improve your image with the players overall:

1st - When you are teleporting somewhere and you are not in a big hurry and you have spots left you could always do a /shout Port to xxxx leaving in 2 minutes, 2 spots open. This would DEFINETELY increase your charisma.

2nd - When you are quadding, use the "/shout" to warn people in the zone about it. Make a macro and click it once in a while, or better link the macro to your opening quad spell to make it shout everytime.

3rd - Don't be greedy, everyone in the game pays the same amount as you.

These 3 tips are based on what the druids i consider very nice do when they play.

Just my 2cp

/em hides from the flames!

Onail

"I'll tell you what, Umbrae - take a look around the other forums and read a few of the threads that aren't rants. Hell, you might even feel like you could constructively contribute to one of them."

Check out the post I made several hours ago in general EQ, under NWN. Yes I did look arround. had I found some other post intersting, and felt I could add input to it I would have. yet I failed to find many of that nature thus far.
I do this in my spare time at work. since thier was not any thing interesting in necro forms, I came over here, via link to one post, and browsed arround in others. Like I said, I used to read this form. I still some time read the magicians tower, shammans crucible, graffs, monky bussness, Safe house, my server board (at least untill they banned my work domain recents =/), eqnecros, along with a few others. that does not leave alot of time for other message boards. I rarely post, as while working, typeing repies and explaning to some one how to get thier buessness backonline is much more difficult than simply reading and explaning.
I am sorry if you think 1 / all of us are trolls because some one posted a link to your form on our class form.
But I also did not know that people were requiered to read the non rant forms before postion / contributing to the rant's form. in case I ever need to post to somthing in the rants fourm here I will remeber that, so that I can put a disclamer on my links.

the issue tht was oringaly posted was concering somthing we have discussed serveral times, quaders kill necros probly more than any other single class. it is somthing that has been discussed before on the necro form, I see no reason that we should not add our coments here.
Perhaps I am missing the point of your boards, since you obviouly get bent out of shape if some one who does not play a druid as thier main does not come here and post what you belive to be valuable information. yet instead of leaving it alone you attack us for it and take our coments out of context.

I fail to see one post before you jumped on us that said flat out druids suck. most simply pointed out that crappy players often choose druids to play. yet the title of the thread we are posting in is titled "The reason people hate us" created by a druid on a druid message board. not normaly the type of discussion I would put in the rants fourm, but the situation detailed was somthing of a rant. I see no reason that another classess input would not be valued on such a topic, but apearently it is not. would under normal circumstances leave such a topic free of replies, but some one had to bring some sence to the horibly crap that the aparently non troll druid idiots posted. of course, this not coming from some one that reads here at least once a day, so you can compleatly invalidate our opinions over that of the regulars. you know post counts make right!

This might sound a bit harsh, for it is in nature, I would like to know why you felt you needed to attack us for simply posting on your forms. Is thier a limit on necros that are on this form? should we all go sit in the back of the bus, so that our horid mentality might not posion the pure thoughts of the regulars that read these boards?


"(except for the fella who posted a single image two posts up, deleting yours)."

See you met potus. welcome to the I need to go gouge out my eyeballs with a spoon family.

I like debates myself, one of the truly enjoyable pursuits of my life. But sorry, I won't waste my time debating anyone about what Everquest class is better than another, Everquest is a game with the goal being to have fun.

I never said I hated *druids* druids are polygonal characters in a computer world, I don't hate such things. I don't hate any ability that druids have I don't hate anything about the druid class. It's a fun class to play and they are usually not bad to have in group (as long as it's not one of the druids that sits there doing more or less nothing.)

What I hate, is the people behind most druids. As most of those people are assholes.

I'm just going from my own personal experiences, maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky in finding a lot of jackass players who decide to play druids.

And I still agree with what I said about druids being a class that is so easy a lot of bad players gravitate towards it.

I'll admit you guys have issues in the end game but most of the lame players I'm referring to more or less move through EQ like it's a single player game, they quad all the way to 60 without grouping much at all, and the only gear they have is top of the line droppable which they bought from HG money, because they are socially incapable of being in a guild and raiding.

And, hell I see a lot of necro's that are just like that spend all their time soloing and will never be in a guild for long because all they are interested in is farming more and buying more.

But the difference between that lame @#%$ necro I described and that lame @#%$ druid I described is a simple one: I can be near a lame @#%$ necro in the grey and there's no problem there, he won't cause me any real trouble (never have had a necro train me) a lame @#%$ druid on the other hand will ruin my day by using up an insane amount of space to solo and run over me while I sit medding because they don't give a damn because EQ in their simple minds is in essence a single player game.

I am sorry, was that meant to be concilliatory?

You say you don't hate the pixels you see on the screen, but say MOST of the people who are behind them are assholes?

Um...ok.

I generally don't read the "why all druids suck" posts cuz they always say the same tired things. "This druid on this day did this thing to me and you are all like that." You are greedy...you farm... you are solo players in an online world. Sorry I have heard ALL of these things said about necros.

I have done a lot of solo and group and guild raid in my 2 plus years of playing this game. I have never seriously believed that one class was more likely to be populated by assholes or morons than another. I have seen pitiful, pathetic, immature and fairly reprehensible things done by players in most classes at this point.

If you don't like druids so much, why come here and tell us about it? Sorry I doubt very much that most of us are very interested. We have heard it all before when we refused to do that port cuz we just did 3 and want to actually play some for ourselves now. Or get accused of greed or bad behavior because we are already in a camp someone else wants.

But as someone else in one of these threads already stated, at least this is the right place for a rant. What exactly do you expect to come of it though?

This thread is quite interesting to illustrate the differences in perception between people. Reading what our necro friends have to say, it would seem that "the majority of druids are jerks, although there are a few good ones".

My personal 3 years experience is different, as I would tend to say that the majority of (high) level druids are awesome people, although there are a few jerks. I have never met a high level druid as described by the original poster. Maybe I am lucky because of the server I play on, but I don't think so.

As a side note, how could someome HATE someone else for actions committed in a game? I cannot understand that. I hate terrorists. I hate pedophiles. But hating people because they trained you or stole your orc pawn in a damned stupid game? You gotta be kidding.

Because I pay for the game, anytime someone interferes with something I pay for, I'm going to hate them.

If I pay to go to a movie and some one screams loudly during the entire show and throws popcorn all over me, yeah at the time I'll hate him.

I guess most of my hate for people like this is only really hatred at the very beginning, then it cools to dislike.

Why is fear kiting ok and quad kiting not ok again? You guys will be killing a lot more mobs than the quad kiter

"All classes have great things to offer, some players don't." ~Maui WuChild, Grandmaster, Innoruuk Server, 19th Juli, 2002

I thought Umbrae has some fair points. I agree I was shocked at the empathy for the totally sh*t druid who considered that her personaly hunting ground.

I dont play my druid like some other people do, maybe its cos my first character was a paladin, I got her to 51, then dropped her because there were no grouping opportunities and changed to a druid who is now my main at lvl 56.

I agree druids are the masters of escape and if you die while soloing or quadding its because you were somewhere you shouldnt have been or you are probably just bad, sorry but we have all the tools. There are a few exceptions to that but they would be extreme like being almost dead from one mob and getting egress off only to end up in the middle of a train or something.

Its funny since I daily cruise the druid and the paladin boards and see the difference in the two. Druids are certainly a lot more outspoken. And 100% more disgruntled, and we have a few things to complain about and paladins have really come a long way.

Interesting side note, I was telling my friend about "the grey druid" incident while at the DL spires, and standing behind me at the portal was this druids RL boyfriend, who promptely told me to shut the f*ck up, as well as making tons of Gimp comments, and general behavior expected of a looser.
And then someone said to him, "hey, I knew the old Glutius and you arent him, he ebayed?"
and he said "yeah, so?"
Figures, I hope they live happily ever after, but we are doomed if they reproduce.