The answer to the biggest question plagueing mankind since before time..."What do women really want, (and why)?" and were able to explain it such that it was logical and made sense...to even men...

Would you share that info?



And if so, how?

Book. Play. Music. Seminar. New religion.

Would you share it if you predicted, if you did share that information, that the whole way of life for most people would change dramatically?

I would probably not because if I honestly thought I had figured that out and could explain it I would most likely consider myself insane and would therefore sit quietly in the corner rocking and sobbing softly.

Full page ads in all the major newspapers.

Such important knowledge should not be sold, but freely given, for the betterment of mankind =P

I wouldn't tell anyone. I would destroy al my research and go into seclusion. Ever heard of a man named Nicholiah Tesla? You wouldn't want to end up like him would you?

this is not a mystical question guys..."what do women want? and why?"

from the beginning of peoplekind, notice the pc here, man has been asking this question. guys! this is all women want!!!! for you to ponder what they want!
the secret is... since womenkind discovered that mankind needed sex they have made it their religion to mystify us in how do we get some, something.

accept the belief that you'll never know what women want, but keep it to yourselves or i promise you you'll never ever get some. something! pretend you are puzzled, ask that silly question and others " like what is the matter, honey?" or "is it something i did or said?" they love it when you are worried that you cant figure them out.

you buy them a gift, they really wanted to go to a play. you take them to a play, they really wanted to go see their parents, you go to their parents and.. oh my god, thats what i did wrong....

All women want is for men to think about what women want. How's that?

"they love it when you are worried that you cant figure them out."

No, they don't.



They will get frustrated with you.

I think the moment someone discovers such an important answer, the Vogons will come along and vaporise the earth.

You could try asking the woman what she wants. (hint: arguing that what she wants isn't going to work/be feasible for you is the wrong answer)

All Woman REALLY want is to fall in love and do everything they can to make sure that person is happy.

Why? Becuase it is a natural instinct for women to want to be loved and to love another.

A woman in love will do almost anything to make sure that person loves them back. But if you do not love the woman back, and trust me she will know, the woman then proceeds to make your life a living hell.

The answer to the biggest question plagueing mankind since before time..."What do women really want, (and why)?" and were able to explain it such that it was logical and made sense...to even men...

Would you share that info?
Women have been answering your question for EONs... and men have never heard the answer because they chose not to listen. :sleep:

Would it change the world?
Highly doubtful. Most men believe that the world adjusts to them and not the other way around. :banghead:

It is apparent to me from this short thread that women are as clueless about men as men are about women.

This is the true wisdom you should keep.

If we understood each other then relationships would be boring.

a friend of mine dropped this nasty, rat-eared, waterstained diary off at my place one night, whispered something insane, like, 'they are after me', and then disapeared, only to show up 3 days later as a babbling lunatic. He now lives in the Summergrove Asylum for the Psychotic and Deranged. The diary he gave me that night is about what women want and i read it. I am now in hiding and can only post under an image of my dog (who is also male) for fear they will find me...

"and men have never heard the answer because they chose not to listen."

Not exactly. Let me give an example.

Woman says "I want to have his baby."
Man hears "She wants to have sex with me."
Woman means "This man is good enough to be allowed(invited) to reproduce."
He hears and listens but just hears it differently than you meant it.

"Becuase it is a natural instinct for women to want to be loved and to love another."
True.

"A woman in love will do almost anything to make sure that person loves them back."
Partly, not back but front, if you will.

"You could try asking the woman what she wants."
Absolutely, that is the only way I was able to make it work(workaround more like it) before. But what she asked for caused me frustration. And the act of asking her caused her frustration. 'Her' being an amalgam, of course. The "you should already know, if you don't know you will never know" universal discussion will ensue if you rely on this for too long, women are patient, but even that patience is limited.

"If we understood each other then relationships would be boring."
Depends on how much you wish to be happy, or wish to make others happy.

"Most men believe that the world adjusts to them and not the other way around." True, but they are wrong.
Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.

"(hint: arguing that what she wants isn't going to work/be feasible for you is the wrong answer)"
True, if you are with the right woman she will know what your real limits are. The right woman will only need 100 percent, and will carefully keep you on your track to your true potential.

Without giving it away to all the men just yet...
Ladies;
It is like a river. It has always been there. The river is hungry, it consumes, and wants. But, what is sacrificed to the river is given back up with new life.

Or let me try another analogy.
A man provides to her the sugar, the flour, the salt, the eggs, the cream of tartar, and the vanilla. He may even need to bake it. And, then, she shares the cake with him.

Most men will bristle and rebel with those analogies(or misunderstand them completely).

Am I on track? ;)

Hmm... I think when you try to be philosophical about men and women and their relationships you end up making a lot of generalizations that don't particularly fit. Sure, there are people who fit neatly into stereotypes but then there are others that don't and would probably whack you upside the head if you tried to do so.

A man provides to her the sugar, the flour, the salt, the eggs, the cream of tartar, and the vanilla. He may even need to bake it. And, then, she shares the cake with him.


This one, unless it was meant to be humorous, is likely to get a ear-boxing from me. I'm a very independent person. I do everything myself, even tasks that are typically allocated to men. In my family, men are lazy turds and expect to be taken care of by their women. It irritates the crap out of me. I really have resented all my life having to provide holiday meals for my family and see the men do nothing to contribute, other than devour what is provided. They don't offer to clean up, they don't bring anything other than empty bellies.

So anyway, that's my morning rant. :)

I have no personal problem with any of this, but I do have a question for Panamah.

Say a man does try to help you or do something for you. Do you chastise him for treating you as helpless or appreciate the fact that he's doing something for you? I know of one woman who would gripe I was "babysitting" when I tried to help, but also griped I was "lazy" when I didn't. No worries, she's long gone, but I am curious how prevalent this behaviour might be.

I know a lot of women criticize when men try to help, but usually for a different reason than you mentioned, so I'm aware it is a problem. That's not the reason behind the lazy men in my family though. They're lazy because that's how they were raised.

From a woman's perspective sometimes when men "help" it isn't up to the level of competence they were expecting. For instance, if you wash dishes and they end up still dirty, is that really helping? Women can get overly picky and naggy but men can be touchy about the criticism and sometimes one wonders if the incompetence is real or is it a passive-agressive ploy to get out of being asked to help?

Now a good couple can work it out rationally and lovingly, but those prone to nattering at one another won't be able to. It's a problem roommates have to face too. There's just work that needs to get done. A friend of mine had a clever system devised to divvy up the labor. Basically you had to do X points of chores a week. You could do whichever ones on the list, but the popular ones that got done regularly had fewer points and the unpopular went up in point values. If someone didn't do their points for the week, they had to pay a fine. It brought harmony to a household where the roommates were warring over things previously. That friend is married now, I wonder if he and his wife have a points system? :) I don't think so.

Ok so I came back for a bit to get a feel for whether EQ2 will be worth the $$$ and quickly realized I dont know crap about EQ these days so nothing "on topic" was interesting... (it could be argued, for sake of a historical discussion, that I never knew crap about EQ but that is another thread.. :) )

If I figured out what women want and why I would turn around and educate women... most of the ones I know spend as much time trying to figure themselves out as any man I have ever known... :)

In my family, men are lazy turds and expect to be taken care of by their women. It irritates the crap out of me. I really have resented all my life having to provide holiday meals for my family and see the men do nothing to contribute, other than devour what is provided. They don't offer to clean up, they don't bring anything other than empty bellies.

You agreed with me and did not even realize it Pan. That is exactly what I was saying.

Really? Sounded to me like the man was taking all the credit for providing everything and doing it all while woman stole the credit from him. That isn't how it works in my family. By no means are all men like this, I know that. Hopefully not even a tiny percentage. It's just the neandrathals sharing my DNA. I even love those neandrathals though intellectually I'd like to club them with a large turkey leg.

Ok so I came back for a bit to get a feel for whether EQ2 will be worth the $$$ and quickly realized I dont know crap about EQ these days so nothing "on topic" was interesting... (it could be argued, for sake of a historical discussion, that I never knew crap about EQ but that is another thread.. :) )

If I figured out what women want and why I would turn around and educate women... most of the ones I know spend as much time trying to figure themselves out as any man I have ever known... :)

Hey Sorrun, glad you came back by. /smile.

I assure you there is a logic and a reason for them being so. The mixed messages that they(and us as well) have to contend with are many. But underlying all of it IS a reason. A simple evolutionary reason, but it requires a different evolutionary model than is usually presented. And it is the reason why you and I are able to be here now having this conversation.

You do not need to educate women, per se(they already know). There are many who do not know the rules, or learn how to deal with them, or there are those who simply do not want to play. Or even those who are told that things mean one thing, and rebel, when they really mean something totally the opposite(feminists).

For example:
You have been told by feminists that in the Japanese culture that a man dominates/oppresses a woman by MAKING her walk behind him. That may be how it is today, but that is definately NOT how or why the custom started.

In ancient Japan, when a woman needed to travel from one place to another; with brigands, rapists, and hiwaymen in the forests and along roads; it was a man's duty to serve and protect her in that journey. It is she that dominates(is more powerful than) the man, and hence he walks in front for her protection, willing to give up his life to protect her in her service.

She walks behind not because she is valued less, but because she is valued more. The messages are unclear.

Really? Sounded to me like the man was taking all the credit for providing everything and doing it all while woman stole the credit from him. That isn't how it works in my family. By no means are all men like this, I know that. Hopefully not even a tiny percentage. It's just the neandrathals sharing my DNA. I even love those neandrathals though intellectually I'd like to club them with a large turkey leg.

Neanderthals, unfortunatly do not share our DNA. Our ancestors killed them in all likelyhood. They were on an evolutionary dead limb, and we broke it off. /hug, /smile



The man gets no credit, and will get no credit. That was his job in the first place(she knows that, he does not).

The men of which you speak bring only the flour. And expect the cake. They are unhappy men.

"Hopefully not even a tiny percentage."

I think it is most. The largest percentage.

If he does all the right things(and the things right) he will not need the CREDIT. He will get what he really wants. Which is the cake.

You might be interested in a Discover article, which unforunately I can't find now, which is about a study on how people think.

The shortest brutal version is this:

Men tend to make decisions, based on whatever criteria, and then don't worry about it anymore. They move on.

Women worry about the consequences of their decisions while they make them and after.

This isn't to say that men don't think of the consequences. They do, but they accept them be that good or bad and just do whatever is decided.

I wish I could find the article, it would explain it better than I.

I like your story about the Japanese. I believe there are a great number of things such as that painted to look bad. They are believed because people either are afraid it is true or just want it to be true.

Panamah: I see what you say about helping badly. In my case, however, I didn't screw it up. She was just whacked.

Panamah: I see what you say about helping badly. In my case, however, I didn't screw it up. She was just whacked.

Sounds like it, Bap. *nod* Its a shame, but there are a lot of messed up people in the world.