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tinsi
12-18-2001, 02:01 AM
So last night my partner in crime, life and xp hunting and myself were off in the middle of nowhere trying to get us both a bit closer to our next levels. After a few hours he gets called away for a Corpse location (necro) and I figure I'll waste some time chatting with the guy who had the camp closest to ours while I waited for his return.

I walk over, sit down next to him and greet him hello, just as his camp poped and he ran off to kite them. Since it looked to me like I was in a safe spot (everyone I've ever seen at this camp meds up where I was sitting), I figure I'll just wait the kite out and maybe have a lill chat after. Bad choice, and one I later came to apologise for.

During the fight one of the mobs break free from the kite and comes at me. I seriously hadn't thought of my added aggro as a sitting person and the lack of aggro for the non-snaring wizard, so I sent the wizard a tell saying I was sorry and that if he wanted his mob back to come get it. No reply, so I root the mob and wait a bit, thinking in all over-fairness that this is not really my mob to kill. This is an xp camp, after all, and we all know how tedious those are, so I didn't want him to lose out because of my bad choice of medding spots. After the mob breaks root for the 5th time in 30 secs and I still have heard nothing from the wizard I proceed to kill him. This wakes the wizard up, and I get a tell "What are you doing?" I explain again, and refers him to the tells I've sent him. For some reason this whole thing ticks him off, and after receiving some rather abusive tells I figure what-the-heck and gate out as the mob is running away from me. If he wants the xp, he shall get the xp, but I'm not sitting there waiting for a fleeing mob to come back and re-aggro me. I kill it or I leave, and the choice on what to do was made by the wizard, not me.

Turns out he had wanted me to camp out to clear aggro. I explain to him that first of all I was trying to keep him unrooted for a while, so he could come get his xp mob, second that when he failed to do so, the mob broke root every couple of seconds, making it impossible for me to camp out and that in the end I gated out anyway so all the xp for the mob is all his. He seems to accept this after hearing the whole story from my side; he says OK, I say OK, and we're about to go our seperate ways, when I get the obvious mistell "Jerks like this is why I hate druids".

I reply giggling about the embarrassement some mistells place people in, and comment that this puts all his understanding words in a completely different light. His reply? "Whatever"

OK, this whole thing raises some questions:

1. Game ethics: What would you have done if a kited mob aggroed on you? Did I do wrong? If so, what should I have done?

2. I would have taken the exact same action if I'd played a necro, a mage, a wizard, whatever. But he sees this not as a game play choice taken by the GAMER, he sees it as a druid thing. Wonder if he'd hate all clerics too if one were to stun-nuke a roamer that aggroed. What goes on in people's minds to make them think that druids as the game character have a seperate personality from the person playing them? When I decide to kill an aggroing mob, that is MY decicion, not the druid's. Do some people have that hard a time separating the two?

3. What kind of people say "whatever" like that and expect me NOT to get a mental image of a sh*t-for-brains Ricky Lake guest arguing with his girlfriend over who gets to cheat with who and how often? I mean - do people seriously think "Man, I told her "Whatever!", I sure did win that one!!"?

4. Last, but not least, how long should the list of congratiulations here be when I say "Ding 55 and Ding 158 tailoring. No more Wu's, no more Wu's!!" :)

Kinare
12-18-2001, 05:01 AM
1. Game ethics: What would you have done if a kited mob aggroed on you?

Personally if a kited mob aggros on me I would just kill it. Is it my fault that they can't kite properly? of course not. I might root it as you did and see if they are coming back, but if it proves too troublesome, it's fair game.


2. What goes on in people's minds to make them think that druids as the game character have a seperate personality from the person playing them?

I assume you are wondering why people generalize a class instead of individualizing encounters with people. I think in some cases, the druid class draws certain people. I chose it as my main because it represents my personal values (ie. nature is valuable), but many people choose it for power. For every druid, there are ten dr00ds. That is why we have such a horrible reputation. IMHO of course.

3. Do people seriously think "Man, I told her "Whatever!", I sure did win that one!!"?

Whenever I say "whatever" in that context, it usually means I am admitting defeat but I don't want to let them think that. Sometimes it is easier than apologizing, where apologizing isn't worth the effort. Note: I use this very sparingly.

4. Last, but not least, how long should the list of congratiulations here be when I say "Ding 55 and Ding 158 tailoring. No more Wu's, no more Wu's!!" :)

Cool! Only 5 more levels to go.. and then alt exp points... and only 97 more skill points to 250 tailoring! Don't expect me to grats you on every skill up, though =)

Aidon Rufflefuzz
12-18-2001, 05:26 AM
You just have to live with the fact that Wizards hate druids and their goal in life is to see us nerfed to oblivion, because they think noone likes them because they all like us.

Their logic is mind numbing. In the end, just remember: Wizards dont like Druids. =P

Araxx
12-18-2001, 08:39 AM
I guess I would have done the same as you.
Then again, if its CS you're talking about, and you are KoS to them, and sitting, that part is your fault. I've experienced kiting 4 wyverns, almost all dead, and a KoS dude has sat closeby, and they turn and go for him. Go figure.

Everything else you did was good. I would have done the same.

And everyone who hates us is just jealous. Fook them. :P

Ciao for now!

Araxx Darkroot - 53 Wanderer
Bristlebane

P.S.: Hehe, I was running to EC from WC the other day and I 'overtook' a 57 Druid. Of course I was in Wolf Form, but hey...
Guess who it was...
Hint:

Evac! Evac!
An Animal loving druid.

;)

Ciao!

Glarnor
12-18-2001, 08:46 AM
Well.. I've kited on and off since.. oh.. I got my first dot. Grouping is more fun, but it's easier to just kite at times. I have still not lost a mob on someone else. (Not entirely true, I did "loose" a quad of specs in Oasis to a guy who repeatedly interrupted my quad. I was getting very low on hp and I wasn't going to die because of some ass who wouldn't listen to me and move away...) Anyway, it's all about aggro control, and if you can't keep a mob from aggroing on someone else, they are in their full right to kill it, it's self-defense really.

If anything, the wizards who doesn't manage to get enough aggro are actually disruptive to the zone and violating the PNP.

Arianrhod Sidhe
12-18-2001, 10:22 AM
On a slight tangent, this question has raised one of my own. I was hanging in Maiden's Eye with a 55 enchanter and 55 bard. We were killing one gorgana and had one mezzed. A 60 wizard goes flying overhead quadding. On the way through he happens to ditch a couple of his on us and pick up the one we had been beating on trailing the single-minded enchanter pet behind it. We had just asked the guy 5 minutes ago to stop quadding over us. His only response now was "Get your pet off my mob". Now how the heck were we supposed to do that? If the enchanter is lucky he can mem blur his pet off the mob but the guy was running all over the place now. Our bard died, another bard coming to us about died. The wizard had to zone from his train. So the question is, do you consider that kind of thing petitionable or just one of the dangers involved with mob agro, live and let live?

AeroBLASTER
12-18-2001, 04:20 PM
If you really waited over 2 minutes for the guy to realize that he lost his kited mob, than it is absolutely his fault. I think you showed incredible restraint in the incident and the other guy was just being a fool.

As for Kited Mob Ethics... I would do like you did - for the duration of one root, plenty of time for you to give the person and tell and them to reply. If you don't get a reply... Just nuke the stinkin' thing.

tinsi
12-19-2001, 12:27 AM
This was not in CS, but yes, I was KoS to the mobs, and I was not aware that they might aggro if I sat at my "new" med spot. For sitting too close to his kite, I also apologized. It's not his fault that I chose to sit myself down within aggro range, not knowing where the safe spots are is all my fault, I just assumed that since that was the spot that he'd been using, it was safe to sit there. What I didn't factor into this was the added aggro I'd get from sitting, and the fact that he kited them closer to the med spot than they'd actually pop. So me getting aggro in the first place was totally my fault. I'd never feel sorry for someone if they came to ky fighting ground and sat themselves down within aggro range, and I don't expect him to do so for me.

However, to expect me to camp out to clear aggro when he won't come get his mob back? He said it as the most natural thing too, like "What I don't understand is why you didn't camp to clear aggro like any normal person would". Weird that, I've never heard of that as the right thing to do before..

(And wizards don't hate druids anymore, they just self-servingly pity us after the release of Luclin and all the uber grand new stuff that Wizards get and we don't. I have wizard envy bigtime. LOL)

patofnaud
12-19-2001, 08:05 AM
Sorry, real basic, it hits me, it dieds. Period then end.

I don't camp, I don't gate, I don't leave until it is dead or I am LOM/LOH.

If his quad, brought the mob over you and it aggro'd then it wasn't his mob yet, only something chasing him. ;)

Xican TempestWolf
12-31-2001, 08:00 PM
Druid's get lotsa slack, and always will. We're a powerful class, so some people are envious (rightfully so =P), however most of that "Druid hate" comes from the fact that (atleast on my server) Druid's are in great abundance. Because there are so many you naturally get more jerk offs. And rather than remember that Druid that saved their life and pulled a corpse run for half of their guild in a plane, they'll remember the 6 that charged them for a port, and SoW, or sat and watched the primary healer (or tank in a gimp group =P) get fried while they nuked the mob and gained aggro.

Basically, when you've got a single class with so many people playing it, it means more assholes. Honnestly, I couldn't remember every time someone helped me with something, but god willing I could type a 30 para rant on every bastard to ever KS me. =P

gippah
01-01-2002, 07:55 AM
"Whenever I say "whatever" in that context, it usually means I am admitting defeat but I don't want to let them think that. Sometimes it is easier than apologizing, where apologizing isn't worth the effort. Note: I use this very sparingly."

Whatever.