I was showing the video to my co-worker of the 34 - druid raid on Onyxia earlier today, and noticed that the guy who was recording it had approx. 6k mana.

I'm a feral/resto hybrid with about 3500 mana to play with, but I find myself doing more healing than anything else (BG and raid-wise). Then again, when I need to, I love going into bear form to wreak havoc when need be - not to mention throwing out MFs and rooting the hell out of runners. My question is: What was this guy's build like to get 6k mana? Full resto? He didn't show a moonkin form so I doubt he's got a full balance temp.

I have 5k mana with my resto build, and buffed have been over 6k. Buffs included Arcane Intel, Elixer of the Sages, Some random food and Blessing of Kings.

My gear is weak: 2 pieces of WH (gloves and boots), epic belt (sash of mercy), Random lv 45-55 blues (Headpiece from Mara, Ironfeather Shoulders, Ironfeather Breastplate, At'ali kilt, Blood of the martyr, Woodsead Hoop.


I can see 6k unbuffed being very attainable. I drank a flask of distilled wisdom the other day and had 2000 additional mana for an hour in MC. was sitting at like 7800 mp. heh. that was fun.

I have 5k mana with my resto build, and buffed have been over 6k. Buffs included Arcane Intel, Elixer of the Sages, Some random food and Blessing of Kings.



So you're full resto? How many pts in Feral? How are you in tight spots when PvPing?

I have over 6k mana if I get buffed from another druid who has Imp MoTW, if I'm self-buffed (with Arcane Brilliance mind you) I'm at 5,972 mana. That's with 33resto/18feral.. with food/pots I can go higher, but usually it's MoTW and AB only.

I've seen Resto Spec'ed druids with 7k mana... but more likely he was Feral Spec'ed with HoTW and heal gear. HoTW's int bonus works out to 18mana per int? where resto it's 15... or somthing like that. I'm primarily a healer, so the bigger mana pool, with weaker heals doesn't really appeal to me... but for a feral looking to fake resto' it's way better then nothing.

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Oh yea, I still PvP, and I find it quite effective. Last night twice I was healing a caster in 4 or 5 vs. 2 situations and we held both nodes AB. First was a 'loc and second was an Ice Mage... really resto' can be outstanding when played with a team. Mind you I still use forms, root and nuke... I spend alot of time tanking melee's who try and shut down my healing. I do have alot of good gear now... but when I started pvp'n at 60 I had nothing better then DM/Strat/Scholo loot.

I just hit 54 ( sig pict gets updated once a week ) 2 days ago, and when I have my "healing gear" ( int/stam/spr gear ) on I have 4700 or so. I'm mainly fearl spec'd ( something like 12/30/2 ATM ).

My "healing gear" isn't anything great and definitely not anything to write home about. Can't wait to get some wildheart stuff :)

I'm currently using:

Tattered Leather Hood
Sr Sergeant Insignia
Spaulders of the Unseen
Sergeant Cloak
Cow King's Hide
1st Sergeant's Dragonhide Armguards
Abyssal Leather Gloves of Striking
Serpenting Sash
Abyssal Leather Leggings of Sorcery
Abyssal Leather Boots of Striking

I have 5413 AC (Bear) & 1651 AC (Caster) with HoTW. 3658 HP & 3264 MP. This is my only set of gear but since I only do BGs right now, it's gettin me by. I'm fixing to do more raiding though so I think I'm going to respec more resto since I'll heal a lot more. My dilemma stems from my bloodthirst to also do dmg...hence, my quest for the perfect hybrid gear.

Try and Run DM east or 10man Scholo' 56 is high enough for both and I think you'll get the best chance at loot for your time.

I have 3233hps/4954mana unbuffed. If I change out my gloves I can get myself just over 5k mana unbuffed. I've had just about 6k mana on raids with buffs. Really it's not hard to get that type of mana pool at all. My gear isn't that great either, I still have alot of green gear.

Raid buffed I am right at 7200 mana. I have Stormrage cover and im only lacking gloves to finish my cenerian set. Right now my gloves and both rings are still greenies :P.

were feral on onyxia a while ago and had a bit over 10k manapool , hotw+bok+ab and gotw and just to try i had a blasted lands pot too hehe just to see how much i reach. Feel the power :) then it was back to restoration again and nearly 8k mana :( buffed ofc

Raid buffed I am right at 7200 mana. I have Stormrage cover and im only lacking gloves to finish my cenerian set. Right now my gloves and both rings are still greenies :P.

I'm so jealous.

were feral on onyxia a while ago and had a bit over 10k manapool , hotw+bok+ab and gotw and just to try i had a blasted lands pot too hehe just to see how much i reach. Feel the power :) then it was back to restoration again and nearly 8k mana :( buffed ofc

You had on feral gear and had 10k MP???
WTF are you wearing?

I'm sitting at 3.3khp and 6.7k mana self buffed at level 55 (MoTW, elixer of greater intellect [I have alc, so I always have these on hand])- feral specc'd 10/31/5 right now, so I do get a pretty substantial boost from HoTW (although I plan on respeccing to resto soon). With a mage buff, I can break 7k easily.

Granted, I have fairly low AC/str/agi as a trade-off :b.

7200 without HoTW? How do u manage that? I'm guessing u have more than just IMoTW and AI up? :]

Raid buffed I am right at 7200 mana. I have Stormrage cover and im only lacking gloves to finish my cenerian set. Right now my gloves and both rings are still greenies :P.

Hmm, shouldn't take much to get over 6k buffed without HoTW. If you're spec'd with HoTW, you'll prolly hit ~7-8k buffed with no problem with epics.

I'm at ~6.3k mana with 4pc tier2, 3pc tier1, and other int epics and rares with IMoTW and AI. Full tier2 restore Druids with all epics are sitting around ~6.8k-7k with IMoTW and AI in my guild.

Start collecting blue sta/int gear, and you'll prolly hit 5k with easy... :]

I was showing the video to my co-worker of the 34 - druid raid on Onyxia earlier today, and noticed that the guy who was recording it had approx. 6k mana.

I'm a feral/resto hybrid with about 3500 mana to play with, but I find myself doing more healing than anything else (BG and raid-wise). Then again, when I need to, I love going into bear form to wreak havoc when need be - not to mention throwing out MFs and rooting the hell out of runners. My question is: What was this guy's build like to get 6k mana? Full resto? He didn't show a moonkin form so I doubt he's got a full balance temp.

How about posting y'all's gear?? C'mon i'm ignant!

regen regen regen regen > all

regen regen regen regen > all

LoL that sig is hilarious.

So I'm assuming you're saying that as long as you have good regen gear, one can make do with the MP pool they have?

Mmmm Mana...

Just a question, do feral specs have higher mana pools?

*noob flame gaurd activated*

Mmmm Mana...

Just a question, do feral specs have higher mana pools?

*noob flame gaurd activated*

lol no, generally speaking resto or balance druids run higher MP pools.

Ah no, with HotW, feral druids will have the larger mana pools, the only reason you might see some others with larger is the feral druid chooses not to wear tons of +int gear, but if they have a set (and most do), when they put it on they will far outstrip resto and balance druids.

Its part of the checks and balances, feral needs a bigger pool because they don't have the efficiency tools of the other two trees.

I have maxed out my HotW and have a higher MP than another druid 1 lvl lower with generally better int / spir gear than I do. While I make a decent backup healer, her spells cost less so she goes through her mana slower than I do.

Ya if two druids have the exact same gear the feral will come out with the bigger mana pool. When I was Feral and in my healing gear I would hit 8200 mana fully raid buffed. Now that I am resto with a couple better peices of gear than before I hit 7200 mana fully raid buffed. If I still had HotW I would probably hit about 8500. Switching back to feral cost me about 1400 mana Is what I figured.

7200 without HoTW? How do u manage that? I'm guessing u have more than just IMoTW and AI up? :]

IMotW, AI, and Kings is what gets me there, plus my gear. I actually have sta enchant on my bracer and health enchant on my chest peice which im thinking of switching to int and mana.

Im also really thinking about going back to 0/30/21. We now have 5 druids that raid and they are all resto by choice so plenty of innervates to go around. Im the only one with good feral gear so Im thinking of respecing once more.

I wanna go back to 0/30/21 too. Hopefully soon. :]

Not me...I'm enjoying this resto build too much. I've got way more mana than my feral build and yeah, it's due to gear. Chances are when I get l33t gear, I'll respec to feral if I can keep a good MP pool - healing is one of my main priorities, but it ranks up there with my ability to do dmg.

I'm almost completely resto, have 7499 fully buffed. I don't look for +heal stuff, although I do have some. I have one mana enchant to my legs (libram) am still missing 2 Cenarion pieces and have the Stormrage legs.

I totally agree with regen > all, close second is spirit. I regen like a fungus gone wild and very seldom if ever have mana issues.

I regen like a fungus gone wild and very seldom if ever have mana issues.

Fungus gone wild huh? Is that the bonus video to Girls Gone Wild?

Soooo what kinda regen gear do ya have?

I actually enjoy being resto too, but only when I'm raiding. Once I'm out of a raid, things are kinda boring for me. I just log off and do other things, because I don't feel like farming. It's not as fun when you know feral spec is more efficient at farming.

How do u get more mana with resto build? U mean through innervate, cost reduction, 15% combat regen bonus, and higher healing amount right? If you're talking about having a bigger mana pool, HotW would put your current mana pool above 8k with what you have... mebbe close to 9k, which is what a feral druid has in my guild. Oh yeah, two set of gears, of course.

As for me, I'm working on +healing for new raid contents, and genesis set for all farm level raids and general good times with 0/30/21 spec. Two main bosses to master, and one more optional boss.

Not me...I'm enjoying this resto build too much. I've got way more mana than my feral build and yeah, it's due to gear. Chances are when I get l33t gear, I'll respec to feral if I can keep a good MP pool - healing is one of my main priorities, but it ranks up there with my ability to do dmg.

I'm pretty sure they are comparing feral druids in feral gear to resto druids in healing gear. One would expect even with the HotW bonus, the resto druid would have more mana.

Its just kind of moot since all the feral druids have healing gear too.

I actually enjoy being resto too, but only when I'm raiding. Once I'm out of a raid, things are kinda boring for me. I just log off and do other things, because I don't feel like farming. It's not as fun when you know feral spec is more efficient at farming.

How do u get more mana with resto build? U mean through innervate, cost reduction, 15% combat regen bonus, and higher healing amount right? If you're talking about having a bigger mana pool, HotW would put your current mana pool above 8k with what you have... mebbe close to 9k, which is what a feral druid has in my guild. Oh yeah, two set of gears, of course.

As for me, I'm working on +healing for new raid contents, and genesis set for all farm level raids and general good times with 0/30/21 spec. Two main bosses to master, and one more optional boss.

I feel exactly the same. While raiding I really like to heal more than dps. However outside of raiding I like to have more options while farming or pvp'ing. Thats why I went back to 0/30/21.

With 0/30/21 I am a damn good healer and people ask for me to be in their group during our raids. :). If we get into BWL and AQ40 and me not having Innervate is the difference between success and failure I will glady go back to full restoration. Cool thing is that 99% of our guild agrees with my way of thinking.

When 1.10 comes out and Preists get their buff hopefully people will realise that Innervate is not a must have.

When 1.10 comes out and Preists get their buff hopefully people will realise that Innervate is not a must have.

Yeah, but it sure is nice.

My friend is a fully resto druid and unless she pops an int pot, when I have my caster gear on ( +int / +spir / +stam ) I have more mana than she does and I contribute that to HotW mainly. She has some pretty decent gear and with her herbalism and making and selling pots, has been able to purchase some wildheart gear.

Just going by the little I've seen. Hell, I still feel like a newbie 1/2 the time.

Hey Anubrim,
That is interesting that you said with patch 1.10 that innervate will not be a must for priests.

Hum....I was thinking exactly opposite. I figured that innervate would be that much more important because giving priests more mana (via Innervate) would help the raid even more since they will be more proficient at healing?

I could use your argument though. Damn....how I loved my 0/30/21 build. :(

Bulldoser
60 Druid of Spinebreaker
Denizens of Defilement

Ya I know. Maybe its just wishful thinking on my part. Your probably right, the demand for most druids to have innervate will probably not go away.
Im just glad that I run with a group of people that dont put pressure on you to spec this way or that. I guess it also helps that our runs have been going very well and everyone has been on their game.

We are hitting BWL for the first time tomorrow so hopefully we keep it together. Like I said if it comes down to it and they feel that they really need me to have innervate I will glady respec.

Last week in MC I was #1 on the healing meter and some people were actually suprised that I was heavy Feral. I also picked up my Cenerian shoulders and Staff of Dominance so I now have 9244 mana raid buffed.

Yeah, but it sure is nice.

For sure for sure. Dont get me wrong, Restoration is awesome and Innervate is a great talent. If I didnt have all the pvp gear that I did all the grinding for I would be full restoration for sure.

I like your points Anubrim. My guild has been doing well at MC and I am sure we will be moving to BWL fairly soon.

One of the other reasons I respec'd to innervate was due to the amount of druids we have actively raiding. Usually 6-9 are able to come to any given raid and I don't wanna be left behind because of my lack of innervate.

I found the same thing as you too about the healing meter. I was frequently in the top 3 with my 0/30/21 build, but not every guild see's the abilities of the players over the abilities of the class (i.e. the talents that are available).

Bulldoser
60 Druid of Spinebreaker
Denizens of Defilement

Well we werent quite ready for Razoregore on our first day. We gave it four attempts and failed each time, however each attempt showed marked improvement.

The next day that we gave it a go we dropped him on our first attempt, and guess what. I was the last healer standing.....woot!. I think mainly because I really tried to use the right heals without over healing and pulling aggro, also our tanks doing the kiting did a great job. The preists seemed to pull aggro fast and the three druids we had there used their battles res. early in the fight.

I even got a couple tells from people saying,"Feral power!", was very cool indeed.

We then moved on to Vale and he proceeded to show us just how fast he could kill us all....hehe

6k mana is easy! Because I'm in a very small guild, I have no access to the large raids. In fact, there are more nights where we can't put together a 5-man run. Even so, I've been able to scrape together 6k mana.

In my full healer gear -- which is far, far, far from the best -- I've got that much with only a single epic piece! With a combination of wildheart gear, ironfeather gear, one of the ZG healer rings, a GREEN staff (!!!) and a couple of miscellaneous blues I found lying around, I've got a mana pool that hits 6300 with nothing but my (unimproved) MoW on.

Of course, healing isn't terribly efficient for me since the only resto I have is 5 points of Furor. =)

In my full feral gear (which is nice but hardly great: a shadowcraft hat, the devilsaur set, the +30 STR pvp mace with a 15 STR enchant on it, the ZG quest belt, and a couple of pieces of DM rogue leather), my mana pool's closer to 3400. It dips a bit lower if I mix and match my gear for maximum STA, but when I'm doing feral stuff, I don't need much mana, just enough for the occasional Bash/Heal, root, or cat-to-bear shift with a Rejuv in the middle.

mana pool is not as important as mana regen / +healing.

having 6k mana pool (i'm guessing buffed) as resto druid is actually low unless he had LOADS of +regen/+healing items

+healing allows you to use lower ranked spells and still achieve big heals. Best bang for your buck and uses mana more effictively.

Also, using Regrowth as little as possible as it's quite a mana waste. Healing Touch with a rejuv I find to be better for mana and works just as well for the tank.

And I number of times Nature's Swiftness + Healing Touch will save a tank, you'll love it.

I respec'd from 14/32/5 to 0/30/21 and while I miss the decreased mana shifting cost, Omen of Clarity, and Natural Weapons I'm really enjoying this spec :)

just replace your gear with things with more intelect if you want more mana, + plently of enchants and pots