While trying to hit the next pvp rank, I just don't have enough time so I let him help me a little when he was at my house visiting. Now I can't get back on when he's over!!!! He's enjoyed my druid so much he plays it forever. Whenever he is done he'll tell me non stop bout all the people he owned that day!! It isn't that informative, just thought everyone might get a kick out of it.. :p

You shouldn't advertise online that you violate the ToS, could end up losing your account.

You shouldn't advertise online that you violate the ToS, could end up losing your account.

QFT!

I can't let a friend try out my account? What's the reasoning behind that?

Sharing an account I have no problem with, a character BIG problem.

Especially with the honor grind, letting someone else "grind" for you creates an UNFAIR advantage. Doing the honor grind myself, just hitting rank 11, I take GREAT offense to this and if you were on Malfurion /reported

World of Warcraft(R) Terms of Use Agreement

Section 1. Subsection A.
"You may not share the Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account when not in use by you. You are liable for all uses of the Account."

Retrieved from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Without being totally anal about the whole issue--I would say that sharing your account is entirely on your own head if something goes wrong. If for whatever reason you cannot get into the account and report it, you will likely find your account suspended indefinitely.

Personally I know of one particular warrior on my server who was allowing people to play his account in BG's to jump up the ranking ladder. His account was suspended permanently. I would agree with Kyane 110% on the feeling towards people who do this as well.

Just some friendly advice for future reference =)

Grats on rank 11 btw Kyane....I am ashamed to say I gave up on my druid and switched to ezmode hunter to kill you easier in the future haha....

Yeah, I had a feeling that Stugots was on the shelf. EZMode FTL!

From a future meeting with JimmayHunter:
/tar Kyane
JimmayHunter performs concussive shot ( Improved )
JimmayHunter performs aimed shot
JimmayHunter performs arcane shot
JimmayHunter performs auto shot
Kyane is afflicted by wingclip
JimmayHunter performs scatter shot
JimmayHunter performs raptor strike
JimmayHunter performs aimed shot
Kyane Dies

/sigh

I'm stopping at Rank 13. The grind has already made me jaded enough, I don't want to go completely insane.

I've had some good battles with the Horde lately, but some of the pugs are down right embarassing. Dancing in the FR when it's 10 on 6 then when you have your back turned they start to attack. Cowards. They die repeatedly and end up sitting in the GY with 5 people standing around them all while a Druid runs by and /cuddle at them. Too much fun.

So how long till I get to meet this hunter? :D

soon....we will meet soon! 52 now after starting him a couple weeks ago. Might take it a bit slow though and get some gear from the usual spots along the way. I hear the Horde are getting thumped on a daily basis now....:sumo:

Goodkiller and Chargers if I remember right. I know b/c depending on who played Goodkiller I was target #1 LOL. I kind of miss the guys, but doing that is just wrong.

Adding to my original post, there are those of us who put in COUNTLESS hours into this honor grind. Getting to the rank ( and rep ) that we desire is NOT an easy and is very time consuming to say the least. Would I love to run instances with my friends more often, sure. But if I did I lose out on a spot in my PvP group and miss a LOAD of honor and slip in the rankings. Yes, it is your account and I can't stop you from giving out your info for your friends and family to play for you, but enough people find that out and your account will be suspended faster than you realize. It takes just a few reports and you're gone. There was a rogue on the Ally side on Malfurion lately that bragged about it on vent to a number of people ( little did he realize there were some high ranking PvPers in the channel playing alts ). 2 Days later he was gone. GG, game over.

You want to rank? Do it, but do it yourself. I have the utmost respect for those that do the grind week after week, getting the ranks they want or maintaining the ranks they want.

I guess I'm lucky on the Ally side where those of us grinding rank are all pretty friendly and cap ourselves within reason to keep the actual calculated honor points distributed pretty evenly. The only time there is any drama is when we find someone having multiple people play thier character.

I hear the Horde are getting thumped on a daily basis now....:sumo:

Only one team gives us much issue and it's when Attica brings in 3 mages and 2 locks. OUCH. Just pain on top of pain. Other than that while the games might be good, we tend to win 90+%. Yesterday our group didn't lose once.

Morghul ( spelling ) and Escondido are the only hunters I have a hard time with right now. Morghul b/c of his gear, and Escondido b/c of his skill with the class.

First time I see you, I'll /moo for old times sake =P

People that can grind to rank 13 with no help dont have lives or any serious commitments. You need to play non-stop BGs all day long, for months, to attain that rank. For the 90% of people that cant play this game 24/7, I dont feel bad one bit for people that have friends player their accounts to help with it.

Getting a high PvP rank doesnt require any skill, just lots of time on your hands.

/flame on!!!

jk, I certainly understand the frustration that leads people to want to share their accounts to grind, but if you are going to cheat, don't advertise it.

Also, while you can get there eventually on a pure time grind, most high rank PvPers develop really good skill along the way, and it is more efficient to grind in a group and win so good groups will require you to be good to join them for the grind. Skill is important.

That's going to change soon Lorath, blizzard is working implementing changes to attempt to bring PvP rankings more in line with skill rather than time spent.

That's going to change soon Lorath, blizzard is working implementing changes to attempt to bring PvP rankings more in line with skill rather than time spent.


How so I have not heard about this. Have they released any details??

Could be rumor, but I have heard the decaying of honor will either be removed or reduced.

Can we just trash this thread? All this chatter about banning. I am seeing this RSS feed in multiple locations. Publicity FTL. Why risk it.

People that can grind to rank 13 with no help dont have lives or any serious commitments. You need to play non-stop BGs all day long, for months, to attain that rank. For the 90% of people that cant play this game 24/7, I dont feel bad one bit for people that have friends player their accounts to help with it.

Getting a high PvP rank doesnt require any skill, just lots of time on your hands.

Thanks for the straight up insult.

/ignore

That's going to change soon Lorath, blizzard is working implementing changes to attempt to bring PvP rankings more in line with skill rather than time spent.

ATTEMPT, but fail miserably as there is no good way to judge 'skill'. It'd be awsome if 10 GM's watched every fight and held up scorecards afterwards on the 1-10point range.

As for the OP, not to encourage it... but just as a counter, I know two of the HWL's Horde side on Uther used some ringers to play, and it was pretty well known and neither lost their accounts.... could just be cause they were well liked an nobody reported it.

You can also get rank 13 (no comment on 14) with a 40 hour a week job... I could of anyway. I just couldn't do that and raid with my guild and have any life outside the game... so I gave up at rank 10. Server to server and alliance/horde are differnt games. I suspect if you roll with the "steamroller" team on your server, you can do it with about 30hrs or so a week of pvp'n no matter what side/server your on.

It wasnt an insult nor was that comment directed only at you. You cannot tell me with a straight face that getting a high PvP rank takes skill. People in my guild have grinded to rank 12 and it takes them a good 12+ hours a day, of grinding BGs, to keep up with the decay rate and others that are trying to do it as well.

The current honor system is broken. I would love to see them implement something different but frankly I have no idea how you could calculate someones skill in BGs where its a pick up group and people all seem to do their own thing.

If you want to get bent out of shape over the truth, then by all means get mad at me. Sorry...

I think it's happening with all the servers, but Horde lately have been getting RAPED.

My bud entered a game where it was 22 on 6... poor Horde...

22 on 6 eh? Im going to assume your talking about AV and no one plays AV when grinding PvP ranks...

AB/WSG is the way to go for getting your honor up.

Gonna have to agree with lorath, the pvp rank system sucks as is. I tried starting the grind to 13. I work 30+ hours a week and pretty much all my free time was spent pvp'ing and doing nothing else. Not very good when you have a wife and kids :(

I never said that the current system isn't flawed, but ( at least on Malfurion Alliance ) you do not need to spend 60+ hrs a week in battle grounds.

I play for 2 hrs or so each evening and 4 or so hrs on Sat and Sun. That gets me about 300k honor each week ( usually hit around 280 - 290 ) and I place in the top 15.

That still gives me time if I want to run instances with friends and farm and do whatever else.

Nobody else plays my character, nobody grinds for me, I play in an organized group and we win about 90% of our games. That's how we do well.

Im guessing your not playing against premades every BG and win every single BG your in. And, you dont have friendly premades that grind through BGs like its their job.

300k honor without playing 8 hours a day in BGs is impossible on my server ( Firetree ).

People that can grind to rank 13 with no help dont have lives or any serious commitments. You need to play non-stop BGs all day long, for months, to attain that rank. For the 90% of people that cant play this game 24/7, I dont feel bad one bit for people that have friends player their accounts to help with it.

Getting a high PvP rank doesnt require any skill, just lots of time on your hands.

Likewise I feel no pity or shame in reporting them and watching their accounts get banned--contributed to at least 2 so far and hopefully one more last night. Why not just pay someone to level your character to 60 and then grind to rank 13 instead, then you could just log on and be cool...I guess...

Regardless of the time commitment or flaws in the system, that hardly justifies having multiple people play an account to attain achievements you otherwise never would have had.

Personally I think anyone who lets someone else play their account to rank up in bg's is a ****bag and cheating everyone around them who actually puts in their own time to get the ranks.

Im guessing your not playing against premades every BG and win every single BG your in. And, you dont have friendly premades that grind through BGs like its their job.

300k honor without playing 8 hours a day in BGs is impossible on my server ( Firetree ).


I play in an organized group and we win about 90% of our games.


We play against a number of horde preforms, with some games being closer than others, but we still manage to win about 90% of the ones we're in from the start. More often than not ( when the horde don't /afk ) we play against performs. Other than that the timer is our biggest challenge.

Yes, there are some that BG like it is their full time job. If that's what they want to do I'm not going to stop them, but they also aren't in our main group and probably lose more than not.

Likewise I feel no pity or shame in reporting them and watching their accounts get banned--contributed to at least 2 so far and hopefully one more last night.

One more? Who?? Send me a Private Message if you don't want to take it public :)

And for the record I agree with Jimmay completely ( if that wasn't totally obvious ).

They don't call it an honor grind for nothing, but don't take the HONOR out of it by cheating the system.

It was actually an alliance player last night running a bot....was rather hilarious. He had this really long name that I can't even remember (was 2am when I saw him anyways..). I just went into AV to get some water for my druid and he was moving around like a robot, or like someone who had something invisible on autofollow. The real shocker was the GM responded in about 10minutes and the guy was still in there doing it for sure hehe...

A GM response in 10 min? Wow, that has to be some sort of record. Even for those I have reported for similar actions, I've waited at least 45 min, but the GM usually says that there were numerous reports.

This is a pretty funny thread. All I have to say is that my momma told me no one likes a tattle tail...

And today I realize it's true!

As long as you're having fun playing the game, it's cool with me. I can assure you that your reportings will not change the face of the game... =)


To the OP. Yes, Druids are lots of fun and I'm happy that your friend got to experience the fun. Now tell him to get his own account and level one up!

funkho,

Cheaters are disliked even more so than someone turning in said cheater.

This is a pretty funny thread. All I have to say is that my momma told me no one likes a tattle tail...

And today I realize it's true!


Heh I could give a rats ass if you liked me tbh, and your assurances are given their due attention...

I despise people who cheat the system enough to report them for doing it. I agree it will not change the face of the game, but its hard to argue 30,000+ accounts and 30+ million in gold removed from the game by Blizzard recently is not going to eventually make an impact.

and as for changing the face of the game, when you are talking about being in the top 15-20 people grinding on your server, taking one cheater out ahead of you has a big impact.

imho multiple people grinding one toon for honor is what makes the rest of the population have to put that much more time in to keep up.

and as for changing the face of the game, when you are talking about being in the top 15-20 people grinding on your server, taking one cheater out ahead of you has a big impact.

One player who was taken out recently was directly in line to get High Warlord, believe he was at 59,000+ in his rating and bringing in roughly 700-800k honor per week. With him gone the people actually play their characters were able to advance and get the ranks they deserved.

It depends on your definition of 'cheating'. If you say that cheating is violating the EULA, then you're saying that everyone must play by the rules set by Bliz. By reporting someone, you're saying you agree with those rules.... This is where our opinions differ...

I play the game to have fun and socialize, so I really just don't care enough to tattle...

Personally, I'm looking forward to doing something that gets me banned so I can stop paying them money and find something else to take over my life... Heh...

Like I said, as long as you're having fun... It's cool with me.

imho multiple people grinding one toon for honor is what makes the rest of the population have to put that much more time in to keep up.

That's exactly right, the grind to 14 sucks bad enough without multiple people playing an account. So people try to cheat the system and have multiple people play their accounts thus screwing over everyone because everyone else has to grind even more just to keep up.

Awhile ago on my server, one former GM was getting as much as 1.2 - 1.3 mill CP on AB weekends (multiple people playing of course), imagine the fun of keeping up with him :confused:

Like I said, as long as you're having fun... It's cool with me.

So when said persons "fun" costs other people advancement in ranks, getting loot, etc - that's cool with you too huh? Interesting. As long as they don't screw you over right? =P

It really is pointless to argue with people that are absolutely clueless on how the system works.

Every time you log into the game you agree to the TOS. Everyone has to play by the rules set by Blizzard, or get banned/suspended/warned etc. It's not suddenly legal to run a stop sign just because you don't see anyone else around watching you. Then again it appears rules and common courtesy are matters of convienence for some.

Hey have fun though....and when you get run over because some clown thought it was ok to run that stop sign you might see things in a different light.....or maybe not.

One more off topic post! =)

The thing is, you're never going to catch the people who really want to "abuse" the systems. Sure, you might catch a bot here or there, but anyone who is truly interested in getting to the top is going to be fairly discreet about it. I applaud your effort, but I choose to take the game a lot less seriously. It doesn't hurt me one bit that someone else has the label of "Number One". Especially not when I pwn them.

Good luck with that rank though...

It really is pointless to argue with people that are absolutely clueless on how the system works.

Every time you log into the game you agree to the TOS. Everyone has to play by the rules set by Blizzard, or get banned/suspended/warned etc. It's not suddenly legal to run a stop sign just because you don't see anyone else around watching you. Then again it appears rules and common courtesy are matters of convienence for some.

Hey have fun though....and when you get run over because some clown thought it was ok to run that stop sign you might see things in a different light.....or maybe not.

OK, ONE MORE! =)

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're comparing the mechanics of the WOW honor system to traffic laws... This is taking the game too seriously...

And that's it. I'm done with this thread.. Heh...

God forbid anyone inject any metaphors in an attempt to understand how utterly retarded and illogical your thinking is.

Both scenarios involve breaking rules--are you having trouble understanding the similarities? I can use crayons and construction paper if you are having issues.

You were done with this thread after your first post. The internet is serious business.... :epopcorn:

God forbid anyone inject any metaphors in an attempt to understand how utterly retarded and illogical your thinking is.

Both scenarios involve breaking rules--are you having trouble understanding the similarities? I can use crayons and construction paper if you are having issues.

You were done with this thread after your first post. The internet is serious business.... :epopcorn:


haha, that made me lol irl

This thread makes me remember how blank most people are upstairs.

Honor system is screwed. The system promotes cheating...

Blizzard just needs to scrap the whole idea and make it a rep grind with no decay. They need to take raid resets and increase them by 2-3 days per trip. Then limit an account to 8 hours of play time per week. People playing this game 20+ hours a week is what is screwing things up.

Not to mention the health issues. I just read the latest statistic is 64% of U.S. population is overweight @_@

People obviously can't take care of themselves. Since they can't make good decisions then they need to be made for them. Its funny really, everything is now turned into a medical illness. Fat is illness. Fat doctors are telling people they are sick, when they themselves are struggling for excuses. Genetics can go so far but the real problem is crap food and lazy people.

Pres. Bush should make it an executive act that citizens are required to do at least 45 minutes of cardio 4 days a week and 30 minutes weight lifting 2 days a week minimum. Firefighters have a hard enough job as it is carrying a 50lbs kid out a burning building let alone Big Johnny Flab @$$. They don't need to be carrying 250 lbs of dead weight around to make things worse. Fat is putting their lives at unnecessary extra risk. I'm going to write my congressman. For once Bush has the chance to make a good decision....

Funny note: I was having my body fat count measured (its a requirement for my job to maintain specific fitness levels). Anyways I forget the exact but I was under 3% body fat (at the time I was training for martial arts tourneys 4-6 hours a day). The Dr. actually told me I was unhealthy. Nevermind the fact that I had twice the lung capacity, pound for pound stronger than almost anyone I know and hadn't been sick for 4 years (no lie). Meanwhile he was overweight, going blind and had a pretty nasty cough. Some doctor...

Wow this post is kinda strong. Oh well...

In summary, cheaters suck. Fat sucks. Pres. Bush sucks and Dr. Phil shouldn't be allowed to give weight loss advice...EVER...and people take this game WAY too seriously...:sumo:

On the horde side of Nathrezim we've been able to do what some say is "cheating" the honor system.

What we do is out of the people being picked who want to get HWL, one gets chosen and then everyone else doing the grind signs up and BGs with that character and they do it in such a way that the person going for HWL only needs the minimum amount of honor to hit HWL which is usually about 500k.

Once this is done, they move on to helping the next person and it has enabled us to have 6 HWL and only one of them was played by more then one person and that was two brothers who shared an account at home.

I mean we did have one guy with multiple characters trying to get HWL, but he ended up having to get 900k honor that week and gave up. We didn't make it very easy for him once we found out :grin:

Ghost,

That's hilarious! My wife had to ask me what I was laughing so hard about. I agree with you in general, but I have to say (as a not-too-terribly fat but old doctor) 3% body fat IS unhealthy. Very impressive, but unhealthy. You may encounter some long term effects if you maintain it.

And BTW, you can't IMAGINE how many nurses have back problems from trying to move obese patients around.

On the topic of this thread, it seems you just can't use the "honor system" to regulate the honor system. I, for one, can't imagine why anyone would care enough about WoW or any other GAME to cheat at it. Kinda defeats the purpose of enjoying it IMHO. Enjoy WoW. Enjoy life. Play hard. Have fun. Lighten up.:)

OK, ONE MORE! =)

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're comparing the mechanics of the WOW honor system to traffic laws... This is taking the game too seriously...

And that's it. I'm done with this thread.. Heh...

As a matter of fact, violating the ToS and EULA is considered exceeding your authority on the network, which is considered approaching or accessing a federally protected computer w/o authority, which is a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986, and a Federal felony.

Although, I have never heard of an US attorney prosecuting where there wasn't some form of vandalism or espionage.