I've heard that druids can out damage rogues later on- How is this possible??

Also- Doesn't that make rogues kinda useless- I mean sap is nice but then we can heal and tank and out dmg...seems to kinda outweigh them overall...Well not that I mind =)

No job is useless, each has it's own unique flavor to it. I only have a noob rogue but I can definitely see where it would be fun. Sneaking up behind enemies to do massive damage... and no I don't think we can really outdamage a good rogue.

I'll probably get flamed for that, but I am tired of seeing these stupid arguements over who can do more DPS. Our job is *not* DPS, it is to fill in where needed in a party. Is your raid missing a tank? Go bear and tank to your hearts content. Not enough DPS? Go cat and hope you can figure out a good way to not steal aggro. No priests on in the late night hours? Use up that mana with healing touch, rejuv, etc. Druid was never designed to replace other jobs, it is jack-of-all-trades, master of none. That is our greatest asset, and so many people seem to forget that. Is it possible to outdamage a rogue, outtank a warrior, or outheal a priest? Yes, but more often then not a good player will be able to do better.

My #1 rule... it's not about the class, it's about the skill of the player. I would take a skilled player in a class that isn't the "optimal" over an unskilled player in the "perfect" class every single time.

Azurath, sorry for ranting on your post here but I just get sick of the long drawn out arguments that posts like this create, that all end up in stupidity.

If you have better equipment and do the right attacks, you can outdamage a rogue.

I've had it a few times in MC (I didn't had to heal then)

I have to agree with Kain on this. The skill of the person behind the keyboard is what makes the character great. My boyfriend plays a rogue....and I have to say he is amazing at it. I have grouped with other rogues when he wasn't online....and well...they definitely lacked his skill. There are only 3 or 4 people I have ever seen him lose a duel to (a great Feral Druid, another very good Rogue, and me....as a Priest...but that is kinda cheating because I know his playstyle so well now).

Granted the Druid class is looked at as a jack-of-all-trades....but let me tell you....if the person playing that Druid knows their stuff....they are definitely a very valuable person for any group/raid. What makes us so great as a class is we can do it all.....so as long as you have mastered versatility then you have got it made.

Druids have no way to permanently drop threat. No matter what gear you have you will not out-dps rogues in a long fight. Comparably geared, you are looking at about 80% of a rogue's dps. That number will continue to drop as better and better weapons are introduced into the game.

I wouldnt say that. Blizzard is finally introducing weapons that give you raw +attack power in forms such as the Mace of Unending Life, Qiraji War Mace, The End of Dreams, and that new legendary staff.

A druid in BWL gear, with raid buffs on, should be looking at around 2000 AP which results in very nice white dmg and white dmg crits.

I know I have no BWL gear yet and with battle shout and hunters mark, I easily break 1500 AP. I will hopefully get my Earthstrike Trinket tonight which gives +250 AP for 20 secs, every 2 mins which would let me get around 1750 AP. I think it will still be possible to DPS as well as a rogue, even with our lack of aggro management.

The introduction of those weapons is a great start, but look at the availability of those weapons compared to other classes. How many epic daggers/maces/swords are there for a rogue? Where are the equivalent rewards for feral druids that can be purchased in the AH or as a reward from AV/WSG/AB faction or grinding up ranks? Blizzard had all that time and finally put in GM/HWL weapons, yet not a single one has any +feral attack power?

Well I can see the argument of skill is a valid one- Yet altho i'm a week old in wow I definitely feel that i'm more skilled than most players. I've gotten quite a few guild invites for pvp, altho I however have gotten bashed for debating pvp strategies. Seems like people who want to do their own thing feel that my strategies are useless and i'm cursed at. Yet those who listen succeed and I even have a few fans that have said they look up to me. Very flattering hehe- but enough of my bragging and back to topic-

I'm concerned about being the best more than anything- Altho the word "best" is another tangent lets not get into that hehe. I just heard that feral druids out dmg rogues and this was from a rogue. I was just trying to confirm this ^_^

Lets just say that both rogue and feral druid have similar level of gear and just as skilled for simplicity...now who has the better dps. Is there a certain lvl that changes everything?

Yet altho i'm a week old in wow I definitely feel that i'm more skilled than most players. I've gotten quite a few guild invites for pvp, altho I however have gotten bashed for debating pvp strategies. Seems like people who want to do their own thing feel that my strategies are useless and i'm cursed at. Yet those who listen succeed and I even have a few fans that have said they look up to me. Very flattering hehe- but enough of my bragging and back to topic-


This is in no way trying to be rude, but a few weeks old into WoW might put you at around level 30. I would pay no attention to a lowbies idea even if I was a complete nub, which Im not. :)

Now for your question, I got a chance to raid last night as a feral druid after spending many nights as resto gathering TPS and buying feral gear. In my off time from raiding, I would do quests to further gear myself so that I could fill the role of a DPS in raid, and fill it well.

Now I only have about 2 feral epics from MC, 2 feral epics from AQ20, 2 feral epics from ZG, and the rest is all gear Ive quested for, so I would think that the rogue in full Tier 1 that was in the raid with me had better gear, if at the very least as good. When I was fully raid buffed with Battle Shout and Hunters Mark, I was breaking 1600 AP, and when I popped my trinket I had over 1800.

I was doing straight white damage, no special moves and no crits, for 300-350 on mobs. I was hitting shreds for 1200, over and over and over.....and through out the entire instance I was always #1 or #2, the other being the rogue. So, do I think druids can DPS like a rogue at this point in the game, yes...but I cant speak for guilds that farm BWL and are in AQ40.

Alright simply put druids in their best feral dps gear can match or even beat that of a rogue in their best dps gear...BUT yes this is a very big BUT we will never survive long enough to see that happen if you dpsed at max power. Druids draw an insane amount of aggro when you are fully geared even with cowering as a threat reduction tool. Rogues have an innate ability that lowers the threat they generate from dmg by 20%, druids do not have this ability and therefore if we start approaching the dmg of a rogue we will draw aggro and die in turn killing our dps. lol druids aren't designed to match any class at anything and blizzard has actually put in some very nice checks to make sure we don't: the long casting time and large mana consumption of our heals, low defense gear in leather form, and minimal threat reduction capabilities in cat, and no where near the +spell dmg gear that mages and locks have access to.

Sure if you wanna pvp your whole time where threat means nothing yes you can match the dps of a rogue...but the fact of the matter is that you'll never match them in pve unless your tanks are very very good at what they do. However that being said feral druids are very common in the top 5 on dmg charts all across my server... Play smart and you can do more than most people give druids credit for.

A Druid if spec'ed right and geared correctly can out DPS a rogue. This however is nothing special. Warrior's who are speced and geared correctly can out DPS a rogue as well.

Just as everyone said in other posts, a druids defined "role" isn't to DPS. It's to fill gaps, nothing more. Which is part of the fun of being a druid. Total Freedom, a druid is what you make it to be.

You just gave me a quote to use in my sig, Rahjeir. It couldn't be said any more simply then that.