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lorath
07-18-2006, 11:07 AM
I would like some constructive criticism from the druids at this forum to look over this talent build and see if there are flaws or if its outright broken.

To begin, this build is designed to be played as a hybrid druid. I wanted to keep enough healing that I could still stay in the top 3 of the healing charts for PvE and I think I could with this build. However, I was tired of always following the same talent builds that have been used in the past and tried to build something around what I felt, have been useful to me as a resto druid in PvP and taken the points that I thought werent necessary and moved them to buff other skills that I wish were more useful when I was resto.

The druid would have to be played more like a Shaman, healing and dpsing. I chose to take the imp. regrowth for PvP purposes to have quick heals that will heal for a decent amount. Swiftmend is just godly at staying alive. I focused the feral aspect on building combos points and dropping them on targets quickly.

BALANCE
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Natures Grasp 1/1

FERAL
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Ferocity 5/5
Feral Agression 5/5
Feline Swiftness 1/2
Feral Charge 1/1
Sharpened Claws 3/3
Predatory Strikes 2/3
Blood Frenzy 2/2

RESTORATION
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Improved MotW 3/5
Furor 5/5
Improved Healing Touch 5/5
Reflection 3/3
Tranquil Spirit 5/5
Improved Rejuvination 3/3
Natures Swiftness 1/1
Improved Regrowth 5/5
Swiftmend 1/1

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:15 AM
I would suggest possibly taking some points out of feral Agression and putting them into Brutal Impact. This improves a stun for either form you choose to run in....and it's always nice to have your target unable to do anything for just a lil longer.

It's just a suggestion....I don't really know what your PvP playstyle is like...everyone is a lil different in some ways.

Other than that...I think it looks good. I thought about a 1/19/31 build....and am still considering trying it out at some point....but for now I want to play around with my 30/21 build and see what I can do.

lorath
07-18-2006, 11:23 AM
I normally use bash to pop out and root someone if im not full feral. I dont know if I would need 3 seconds to get out of form and cast roots, I guess Ill have to find out the hard way lol..

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:25 AM
Yea....I always have to test things out on my own to make sure.
The only class that won't work on would be Mages....a longer stun is always helpful when it comes to fighting them. Darn them and their Blink....haha!

lorath
07-18-2006, 11:27 AM
Bash is useless against mages because they blink out of it, or is that what you said? Feral charge on the other hand is a 4 second silence and is really useful to owning mages. So is swiftmend for the continous instant heals through their dmg and counter spells...

swearword
07-18-2006, 11:28 AM
Looks real nice to me. This gives me a model for what I want to do. I will soon be hitting sixty and respecing from moonkin to resto. I will be doing this to help my guild they are low on resto druids, but have not asked me to do so. I want to be a good healer for raids, but still able to kill things fairly quickly when I solo which is quite often. The only thing I see that might pose a problem would be the 3/5 in IMoTW because it would cause some others with more powerful MoTW would bounce this can be avoided be good communication. So not a big problem or no problem at all depending on your guild.

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:31 AM
I've seen a mage blink out of roots before too....was that a glitch?

lorath
07-18-2006, 11:32 AM
Yea without 5/5 Imp MotW, I dont buff the raid groups, I just give other druids reagents to do it for me. I chose to put 3 points into it because I enjoy having all around higher stats and the higher resists are nice too. I run around in about 60+ resists to all magic and it seems to help quite often against casters.

BTW, I have 70+ days played on my Druid and have been 14/32/5, 30/21, and full resto. I have had alot of experience in playing every single type of role a druid can play.

Falloraan
07-18-2006, 11:32 AM
I wouldn't say bash is useless on mages, it gets them to burn their blink at least. I like to root mages so they burn blink, thenn go bear, feral charge, enrage, maul, bash. Or if you are in cat, open with pounce, they usually burn blink, then go bear feral charge.

lorath
07-18-2006, 11:37 AM
Blink dispells all snare/stun affects on mages. If it didnt, they would die to every class easily.

barbooha
07-18-2006, 11:44 AM
Or if you are in cat, open with pounce, they usually burn blink, then go bear feral charge.

Is there not a way to finish the deal in cat?

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:45 AM
Well they have blinked so far ahead....Feral charging stops them and gets you up in their face again.

barbooha
07-18-2006, 11:48 AM
....Feral charging stops them and gets you up in their face again.

Funny, perfect description for feral charge.

Hadyn
07-18-2006, 11:50 AM
I just respecced yesterday to a raid healing build, and sacrificed my Nature's Focus for some points in Subtlety, which DOES stack with BoS. So says a GM: http://www.imagedump.com/pics/437101.jpg
(The effects are changing in 1.12, instead of 20%+30% = 50%, it'll be 30%*20% = 44%. But they still stack.)

Now I'm sorry I did. For PvP and PvE, the anti-interrupt for healing spells is amazing.
I"m going to have to spend another 30ish gold and get that back.
If you're going to try to be a Hybrid, that means popping out of forms and healing, which becomes increasingly difficult when your HT cast is quickly becoming a 6-second cast with all the interruptions.
I'd suggest getting a few points in Natures Focus.

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:51 AM
Thanks...I try LOL!

Cowbelle
07-18-2006, 11:55 AM
I just respecced yesterday to a raid healing build, and sacrificed my Nature's Focus for some points in Subtlety, which DOES stack with BoS. So says a GM: http://www.imagedump.com/pics/437101.jpg
(The effects are changing in 1.12, instead of 20%+30% = 50%, it'll be 30%*20% = 44%. But they still stack.)


That helps the NE's....but not the Tauren.

Hadyn
07-18-2006, 12:05 PM
That helps the NE's....but not the Tauren.
Don't Shaman get Tranquil Air or something similar to BoS?
Although I'm not sure how widely it's used.
I've never played Horde higher than 29 for twink BGs. =\

lorath
07-18-2006, 01:06 PM
I dont use Healing Touch in the middle of a PvP fight. I generally tend to rejuv a person when hes getting attacked, then if he gets lots of dmg Ill hit him with a regrowth, and let the hots tick. If he gets hit for more, Ill swiftmend him. I only use HT when the fight is over and we are healing up and getting mana for the next move.

Regrowth is so quick you dont really need to worry about people hitting you. And also, Ill run away before I stand there letting someone smack me as I heal lol

Hadyn
07-18-2006, 01:08 PM
I dont use Healing Touch in the middle of a PvP fight. I generally tend to rejuv a person when hes getting attacked, then if he gets lots of dmg Ill hit him with a regrowth, and let the hots tick. If he gets hit for more, Ill swiftmend him. I only use HT when the fight is over and we are healing up and getting mana for the next move.

Regrowth is so quick you dont really need to worry about people hitting you. And also, Ill run away before I stand there letting someone smack me as I heal lol
Eh.. more helpful in 1v1 (Which seems to always happen on Frostwolf) or Duels mostly.
And especially farming places like SM, when you've got 3 or 4 guys hitting you at once.

lorath
07-18-2006, 01:15 PM
I agree. However, I am not healbotting in PvP. Sure, Im gonna toss people heals but Im going to get right back in form and help kill the enemy. I like the idea of Regrowth because it heals for a good amount, quickly, and is a hot that stacks with rejuv. If you have both those on someone, it negates alot of damage a person is doing to them. Essentially, it gives you time to get in form, kill the guy, and if your friend gets low, swiftmend him then pop another rejuv on him.

Hadyn
07-18-2006, 02:21 PM
True.
I guess Nature's Focus is just my personal preference, as I tend to heal more than most people in Battlegrounds.
And it seems like I only ever get attacked (in battlegrounds or out) by Rogues.
</3 Rogues. >:[