Revamped! And _totally_ rocks! Works with the idol of ferocity for a total cost of 37 energy. Crits for 1500+ (plus a bleed debuff) with only 1200 AP on a lvl 60 mob (keep in mind this attack replaces "Claw" and doesnt have to be from behind).

Insane. Will I EVER use shred again? :D

Now, where will I get 1200AP...

purples and end of dreams.

Revamped! And _totally_ rocks! Works with the idol of ferocity for a total cost of 37 energy. Crits for 1500+ (plus a bleed debuff) with only 1200 AP on a lvl 60 mob (keep in mind this attack replaces "Claw" and doesnt have to be from behind).

Insane. Will I EVER use shred again? :D
So what techniques are you using to take advantage of the bleed buff? Mangle, Rake, Mangle til five combo points, Rip?

Does the 37 take into account the 5 from ferocity it lowers? I'm assuming yes but I can't seem to find a base cost of Mangle. I'm also curious for those following the 0/30/21 flow, will you now become 0/41/20 or 0/40/21. I'd still like to keep NS for those raid OH S*** situations but Mangle seems to good to pass up for my feral side of the hybrid I play. Thoughts? If this has been asked before I apologize.

I'll be dropping my 30/21 build and going 14/42/5.

So what techniques are you using to take advantage of the bleed buff? Mangle, Rake, Mangle til five combo points, Rip?

Uhm.. none. :p

I havent even levelled my druid (30k/400k to level 61).

I guess it can be powerful in raids tho.

Does the 37 take into account the 5 from ferocity it lowers?

Yes, it works just like claw. Same bonuses from idols etc.

Maybe they buffed it too much, but it's sweet nonetheless (remember it's still an alpha so maybe they are just trying out stuff). :D I have a 60 rogue and it's pretty much in the "backstab-zone" in damage. Kinda sweet as you don't have to be from behind, and only spend 37 energy (rogues spend 60 on backstab) on it.

And my rogue have _much_ crappier gear than my druid. I can't even begin to wonder what 2k+ AP ferals will do in damage. :D

It's INSANE I tell you! \o/

I was looking through the talents. I think i'll end up with a 11/45/5

I'm really looking forward to all the new druid changes. I havnt seen anything i just flat dont like yet, and most of the changes i see i'm absolutely in love with.

imp leader of the pack looks kind of lame though. 3 points to get 100% chance to gain 2% total health when crit'd not to exceed once every 6 seconds? lets assume you get it every 6 seconds, and your in bear form with 10k health. Thats still only 200 health every 6 seconds. Seems sort of weak to me

I was looking through the talents. I think i'll end up with a 11/45/5

I'm really looking forward to all the new druid changes. I havnt seen anything i just flat dont like yet, and most of the changes i see i'm absolutely in love with.

imp leader of the pack looks kind of lame though. 3 points to get 100% chance to gain 2% total health when crit'd not to exceed once every 6 seconds? lets assume you get it every 6 seconds, and your in bear form with 10k health. Thats still only 200 health every 6 seconds. Seems sort of weak to me
Frenzied regen is 200 health every 2 seconds, this is 1/3 of that lasts forever and doesn't take any rage. Seems a worthwhile talent to me, especially when you consider you give this effect to your whole group in addition to raising their crit % in the first place.

that's like 100 hp every 6 seconds for rogues. a well geared rogue should have a lil over 5k hp. i guess it's ok, like a lil regen for them.

it just seems too little for the point investment. I'd rather put those 3 points for 15% resistance for fears and stuns, or the new 3 point talent that gives 100% of your strength to +healing for 6 seconds after you come out of an animal form.

Granted its a nice talent, but compared to those other 2, its not all that great.

it might be worth it if they took the 6second part out. or made it a set amount healed reguardless of how much your health is. like a straight 500health instead of 2% of your max health.

Getting 1200 AP is easy. Actually, last MC raid with full raid buffs I broke 2100 AP. I think Im around 1350 AP self buffed, and 1630 AP when I pop my trinket.

Interesting...

I'd be curious and greatly in debt to anyone who wouldn't mind posting their gear itemization to achieve AC over 10K (for tanking) and AP near 2K (for dpsin').

In fact, I think it would be a great reference, unless of course it's already done. If so, please point me in that direction. Thanks

Interesting...

I'd be curious and greatly in debt to anyone who wouldn't mind posting their gear itemization to achieve AC over 10K (for tanking) and AP near 2K (for dpsin').

In fact, I think it would be a great reference, unless of course it's already done. If so, please point me in that direction. Thanks

I have 15k armor in bear (with thick hide talent) I'm not wearing all my AC items in this profile so you'll just have to check my bags. :p

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1739242

Ill post the gear I was wearing when I get home. I think I also have a screeny of it. It was obtained all with gear before BWL. So MC/ZG/AQ20/BG gear.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1754/aplr2.jpg

Posting a huge screenshot that distorts the thread has to break some sort of rule, I'll look it up in the morning.

lawl k forum nazi

There actually doesn't appear to be a rule against it, but Yrys said he often converts them to a link when they distort the thread that way, just as a courtesy to the readers.

Here is my ap profile. Its 1542 unbuffed in cat. The other profiles show the different sets that i have some are heavy ac some are heal and one is a balance gear set that i use at times.

http://ctprofiles.net/75782

Thanks Goa.

I just got my AC, interesting enough wearing alot of ZG epics, so I'm over 10K raid buffed, sitting on 7K health and almost as much mana as I would have in healing gear. I still hit like a pillow, but I'm durable...lol.

I currently have yet to get any Cenarion and the only epic that I have from MC are those Wristguards of Stability. Our guild has seen very few in the form of druid love in MC.

Malfurions Blessed Bulwark is straight up feral sexy...Can't wait to get my claws on that one.

Thanks Goa.

I just got my AC, interesting enough wearing alot of ZG epics, so I'm over 10K raid buffed, sitting on 7K health and almost as much mana as I would have in healing gear. I still hit like a pillow, but I'm durable...lol.

I currently have yet to get any Cenarion and the only epic that I have from MC are those Wristguards of Stability. Our guild has seen very few in the form of druid love in MC.

Malfurions Blessed Bulwark is straight up feral sexy...Can't wait to get my claws on that one.

Lovely. <3 Get your WSG skills going and you will be a unstoppable force in WSG with that armor. Promise. Rogues will cry blood when they attack you.

Stand strong my feral brother! (i love to say that). =)

Could someone please confirm/refute the "nerf to mangle" that's getting so much attention on the WoW boards? I'm seeing some WILDLY disparate numbers and opinions. Is this talent still awesome, or has it been crippled?