no doubt some of u have warrior alts at 80 given most people seem to have about 4 80's except me :p

i was mentioning in my return of the worst dps thread about a new 80 warrior we have.

anyone give some ballpark figures for a warrior to tank in heroics ?

obviously uncrittable...

stam ?
armour
def

at the moment he says he has :

23472 hp
19926 armour
15.3% dodge
13.44% parry
9.72% block


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I believe it's 540 Def for Heroics/Raids

(might be 535 for heroics for Defense...I don't recall exactly, but 540 is pretty solid goal).

Our guild's raid tank has these stats...He was similar to this though, when he started to tank heroics...he had a little less stam and armor, but he got Defense Capped before trying to tank any heroics and I know his avoidance was quite high.
# Health: 27791
# Armor: 23374
# Defense: 547
# Dodge: 25.79%
# Parry: 17.55%
# Block: 19.72%

Why? What's up?

thanks Des - missed this thread to !

i know he is trying to get enchants done to make him uncrittable with more +def.

so that shows he has a long way to go but against a raid tank its nots surprising.

we're trying to get him with us in heroics that drop good plate items.

i know he wants some epic shield that i think he said was from CoS.

You should take him as DPS and allow him to roll on tanking items until he's ready to go. It makes it a little easier for your healers lol

You should take him as DPS and allow him to roll on tanking items until he's ready to go. It makes it a little easier for your healers lol
oh indeed Des, that's what we are doing - he's not tanking yet !

i was merely wondering what sorta stats he should have before we let him try some tanking....maybe in UK ?

We are trying to get him some nice items. he's picked up a couple ilvl 200 blues.....and the bolstered legplates iir.

Same with our druid - she is not tanking yet although she has some nice crafted items and she has the Death Warmed something or other from Uldaur crafted !

well as mentioned elsewhere he is now tanking and doing pretty well.

i will recheck his stats this week. its funny since we started taking him to 5 mans, plus a couple other people who are also plate wearers and need gear plate does not drop now ! :(

Another Warrior question -

Can anyone say the best opening moves for a warrior to generate threat on multi mobs ?

I'm finding i am really needing to hold back on the aoe with him tanking atm....i dont know beans about a warrior so not entirely sure what he should be using.

Are warriors viewed as being behind as aoe tanks atm ?

Not sure if its his stats not giving him the ability to generate enough....STR ? or his rotation etc which will come with practice ?

I'm too used to the 2 DK's we run wih doing Howling something or other plus the D&D which means i just open up all guns blazing 0.2 seconds after they pull !

Warriors aren't necessarily "bad" AoE tanks...

hehe Ok, they're not the best.

I found this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4463906358&sid=1

And thought it might be useful (particularly the last page or two lol)

Seems like Thunderclap and Cleave are the big ones to use. I imagine you could have him tab target once he's gotten a decent amount of threat on his first target.

I think the hard part is that the warriors aren't like pallies or DK's. So they don't really have a big AoE to throw out there instantly (Like Consecrate and Death and Decay)...=(

He can do it. Just needs to practice a bit and figure out what works.

I wish I knew more about end game with a prot warrior to be able to help out more. My silly warrior is only level 30something right now.

I've found that initial rage is key. I personally spam Berserker Rage (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=18499) for more rage as warriors can never have enough (keeping Bloodrage (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=2687) for those awful avoidance streaks, changing in 3.2). Pulling with Charge (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11578) via the Warbringer (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57499) talent gives initial 15 rage, and with every decent prot warrior going the Deep Wounds (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12867) side-route, the extra 10 rage in Imp. Charge (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12697) gives flexibility with a Thunder Clap (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11581) / Shockwave (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46968) opener. Tankspot.com used to have a video showing all these wonderful warrior pulling tricks (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f160/40785-warrior-pulling-guide.html), but FileFront seems to have lost it.

Speaking of Tankspot.com, I'd recommend a quick read of their priority flowchart (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/41426-ideal-warrior-single-target-threat-rotation.html) as a rough guideline for good tps. For AOE situations, just like in TBC, frenetic target-tabbing -> (high threat skill) is still needed. In TBC it was mostly Devastate (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47498), nowadays it's mostly Shield Slam (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47488), both with Heroic Strike (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47450) woven as much as possible; post-3.2, this may or may not change.

As mentioned, in contrast to the frenetic key-mashing, Paladins have Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, etc. in precise rotation. This is why I don't like tanking on the warrior at all.

thanks both. i will check out those sites and point him towards them to.

so he has to get into alt+tab really to generate proper threat on multi mobs ?

he sometimes charges in to pull or he pulls by shooting a mob.

i need to look more at wot thunderclap and cleave actually do.

Cleave: A sweeping attack that does your weapon damage plus 222 to the target and his nearest ally.

Thunderclap: Blasts nearby enemies increasing the time between their attacks by 10% for 30 sec and doing 300 damage to them. Damage increased by attack power. This ability causes additional threat.

Cleave is kind of like Maul + the Glyph of Maul for bears.

Thunderclap is sort of like a Tauren's war stomp, for lack of a better idea on how to explain it. Thunderclap is a fun, flashy BOOM kinda move. Rage cost is 20, not sure if that's reduced by talents or not.

I'd imagine even if your warrior tank opens up with charge and his enrage ability- it might still be safer to hold back a bit on opening up with AoE nukefests for a second or two.

Talented (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12666) TC (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47502) gives decent threat within its 8 yards (10 yds. glyphed (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43399), about same threat as a Heroic Strike), but during the 6s cooldown, your high-crit dps party members can quickly pass it. Cleave (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47520) is limited to 2 targets (3 targets glyphed (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43414)); it's great hitting a different 2nd/3rd mob when tab-targeting -> Cleave.

A warrior's highest threat, (spammable) skills are Shield Slam (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47488), Revenge (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57823) and Heroic Strike (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47450), so tabing to different targets to apply these would be very helpful.

But patch 3.2 is running now so a lot of these could change.

I'd like to see warriors get a bit more AoE boost.

I think I'd really enjoy tanking with my warrior if I could get a solid grasp of it. Bear tanking is sooo easy. Swipe /dance Swipe Maul, Mangle WIN

Warrior tanking (mind you, my warrior is only 30-ish), seems like it would be loads of fun. I just don't understand it very much just yet, so I went Arms with her for leveling =)

cheers both.

Cleave - can this hit targets in a 360 degree around the warrior ? ie behind him ?

TC - 360 degree ? seems the glyph would be useful here to add even another 2 yrds ?

Shield Slam / Revenge / Heroic Strike - all single target i assume ?

TBH, Kheldar, I'm not sure if Cleave covers 360 degrees. Ideally I would only tank things in front to parry incoming attacks. There was a raid boss in TBC with a fairly wicked cleaving attack that hit 360 degrees, so Blizzard fixed the range check(s) of this NPC cleave dealing damage to the front only. I am not sure if this "fix" also affected warrior Cleave.

However TC thankfully hits all around. Its glyph is nice but frankly it's used more due to lack of good choices that plague most classes.

Shield Slam / Revenge / Heroic Strike - all single target i assume ?
Right.

thanks ryan.

with a DK tanking and throwing down D&D we've not really worried where additional mobs are, or if one gets behind him for a bit.

i'll point him towards a glyph for TC then :)

So with those single target abilities it is about rotation and tabbing to other targets in a 3 or 4 mob pull to make sure he holds them when i open up with hurricane (and the lock or mage with their aoe).