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Taniwha
10-29-2005, 07:36 AM
Firstly apologies if this has been covered...I've had a scout about thru various forums and have not found anything definitive, hence this posting.

Okay so I've finally hit 60 and now I'm not sure where or how to proceed. I need to make some $$ for my epic mount, so that's one objective, and I want my wildheart kit, so that's another.

Beyond that I have no idea. Can somebody please explain to me how I can my rep up with various factions, which factions I should go for, and why / wot they offer?

What about pvp ... i've done little so far ... should I head down that road and why / what does it offer?

At wot stage do I head to MC, Onyxia, ZG etc? Is it worth going yet or do I need to get various factions to revered b4 I can benefit from the drops there? If so, are there quests I can do to raise faction or is it just a case of grinding a certain faction's enemies?

Beyond wildheart what is the next gear set i could aim for...cenarion? If so how and where do i get that.

Okay i probably have more questions but will see if anyone can shead light on what I've asked so far.

Ps...I know the xpansion has been partly announced and i will soon be questing again to get to lvl 70 ... but who knows how long b4 that will come out ... I need something to keep me busy until then. Besides my current gear is many levels old and I need better stuff.

Thanx for any help / advice you can offer :)

Edit: PPS...and wot about all the unfinished quests that I have. Should I mop those up to help with faction rep? Is there any point to finishing these quests now there is no XP to be had? Thanx again :)

Rockwell
10-31-2005, 12:32 PM
I think one early goal for 60 should be to get all your armor up to 55+ blue or wildheart. Start by running Strat UD/Live and Scholo Raids or 5 man DM groups or LBRS raids. Once your geared up and comfortable with Strat/Scholo/LBRS you can run 5 mans and knock out all the quests. From their it's UBRS and then ZG/MC/onyxia (if you opt' for that).

PvP is fun, and you can get decent gear if you can put the time in. The difference between a well geared 60 and a brand new 60 is alot like the difference between a 59 and a 51... so gearing up before you go into battle will make things go a bit smoother.

Faction is up to you. Most factions are related to tradeskills... so check to see if you need recipes from a certain faction or another... guides for these are easy to come by. The major generic faction is the Argent Dawn... besides recipes, you can buy the best food I'm aware of in game.. pricey, but the best 8). At revered with AD you can buy a +5 (pick a resist) to shoulders enchant... that's the only shoulder enchant aviable.

Starfire
10-31-2005, 01:18 PM
Faction on pvp?

Alliance ~ Sit outside of the entrance to STV/BB and wait for a similiar level to come. Gank him. Call in 4 level 60 allies. Gank him even more.

Horde ~ Get ganked more.

Taniwha
11-01-2005, 04:19 AM
Yeah that's helped to clarify a few things for me, thanx.

Ndainye
11-01-2005, 05:10 AM
Beyond that I have no idea. Can somebody please explain to me how I can my rep up with various factions, which factions I should go for, and why / wot they offer?

Factions depend to a degree on what if any crafting skills you have.

Argent Dawn - pretty much everyone should work on this faction, the shoulder enchants available from the AD are worthwhile for resists.
Hydraxian Waterlords - If you are a raider want to raid you'll get this just from doing MC so you might as well do the prequests first.
Cenarian Circle - Everything AQ related will most likely be based on CC faction so again if you are a raider this will be of interest.
Zandalar Tribe - Not much you can do to raise faction before raiding ZG, faction will raise as you raid and collect quest items in ZG. Worthwhile rewards from faction based quests.
Thorium Brotherhood - Good if you are a smith, leatherworker, tailor or enchanter
Timbermaw Furlbogs - Good for tailors, enchanters, leatherworkers and Alchemists.

Each Battleground has it's own factions as well and faction rewards. The faction rewards are more centered on PvP than PvE but there are some fun ones in there for everyone. Some items are worthwhile, if you enjoy PvP then gaining the faction to get the items to improve you PvP is a good thing.

What about pvp ... i've done little so far ... should I head down that road and why / what does it offer?

If you enjoy PvP then do it if you don't then you don't need to. The PvP rewards are helpful primarily for PvP although there are a few (mounts ect.. ) that can be useful outside PvP. Battleground Info with links to each BG's rewards (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/index.html;jsessionid=D1C1F94EFC9B4E1543B8B570A697 97DC.08_app03)


At wot stage do I head to MC, Onyxia, ZG etc? Is it worth going yet or do I need to get various factions to revered b4 I can benefit from the drops there? If so, are there quests I can do to raise faction or is it just a case of grinding a certain faction's enemies?

If you are in a guild or can join a guild or raid group that raids instances on a regular basis then you can sucessfully do those raids at any stage post 60. Your faction is not important, you do need to complete the MC attunment quest, and the Key quest chain for Onyxia's Lair. Equipment wise readyness is more based on the goup you would be going with; an experienced group that has been raiding/farming an instance can handle a few lesser equipped members and those lesser equipped will most likely be equipped quickly. If the group is new to the instance then you should be equiped to the best of you ability pre raiding (WH or equivalant alternative DM gear).

Beyond wildheart what is the next gear set i could aim for...cenarion? If so how and where do i get that.

Wildheart is teir 0 blue, Cenarian is teir 1 purple, Stormrage is teir 2 purple. Cenarian drops in Molten Core (40 person raid instance in Blackrock Mountain). Cenarian (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=205) and Stormrage (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=214) are more lateral teirs both are large improvements to WH or DM based blues but are different more in effects than in stats. After WH most likely you would be looking at Cenarion; again it will depend on the resources you have available to you for raiding.

Okay i probably have more questions but will see if anyone can shead light on what I've asked so far.

Ps...I know the xpansion has been partly announced and i will soon be questing again to get to lvl 70 ... but who knows how long b4 that will come out ... I need something to keep me busy until then. Besides my current gear is many levels old and I need better stuff.

Thanx for any help / advice you can offer :)

Edit: PPS...and wot about all the unfinished quests that I have. Should I mop those up to help with faction rep? Is there any point to finishing these quests now there is no XP to be had? Thanx again :)

Might as well work on quests, it gives you something to do. I personally don't enjoy farming just to farm if I have a quest to do it makes the farming seem more worthwhile. Also depends on the rewards for the quests, if the rewards are useful to you then doing the quests are a good idea, remember that many quests are chains so a non useful looking reward quest might turn into a longer chain with a better reward. Looking up quests on Thott or Alla's to find out the chains and rewards for those chains is useful.

Starfire
11-01-2005, 12:54 PM
Any tips on how to get your dragonkill points in MC?


I'm doing something wrong on my friends mage.

Ndainye
11-01-2005, 01:13 PM
Dragon Kill Points (dkp) would be situational depending on the raid groups rules. Generally DKP's are assigned based on time spent in the instance, and bosses killed, but can also be given or taken away based on attitude, being on time or listening. Totally depends on the groups determined rules; so my tip would be follow your groups rules :)

*edit*PS don't use DKP it sucks ;)

Taniwha
11-01-2005, 02:56 PM
Ndainye...do I owe you money for that post? Lol. It was more than I expected and VERY helpful. Thankyousomuch.

For any other new 60s who may be in same boat as me and who happen upon this thread, here's my intial post 60 battleplan (which is flexible of course) but provides some initial direction:

1. PvP to corporal so I can buy Insignia of the Alliance (dispells charm, fear and polymorph). Those damn spells are the bain of my life!

2. Go raiding for the remainder of my Wildheart kit (Kilt UD Strat; Head Scholo; Tunic UBRS; Shoulders LBRS). For sake of completeness the Boots dropped for me at LBRS and the Belt, Gloves and Bracelet dropped at the AH!

3. Raise cash for epic mount (farming mats to make Leather items, buying and reselling, selling drops yadayada).

4. Farm DM North for tribal lw pattern to make myself Hide of the Wild. Or if I win the Azeroth lottery buy HOTW from AH. Nice to be able to make them tho.

5. Pray that Glowing Brightwood Staff drops for me somewhere along the line. Otherwise earn cash to buy. I think I might even go for this before my epic mount.

6. Do the MC attunement quest.

Beyond these goals I will devise a new battleplan, aimed obviously at the high end instances MC, ZG and Onyz Lair.

Some other rambling thoughts:

I will need to help my guildies and recruit more senior players as we are a small guild which makes guild raiding difficult at the moment. I could join a bigger guild, but dont intend to, as I really like my present guild. But I dislike pick-up groups becoz of all the garbage that comes with most of them...ninjas, imbalanced groups, players who dont know how their roles (especially warriors who druids rely upon to keep away aggro) and confused and varying loot rules. So a regular group of trusted guildies seems to be the answer there.

The pvp rewards seem inferior to my current gear and wot I can get in raids and not worth going after. Especially the faction rewards with Silverwing (WG), Lg of Arathor (AB) and Stormpike (AV). You need to be honoured-plus b4 the rewards even start to get interesting and getting to that level, and indeed beyond, seems like an aweful lot of work. Having said that it is a possibility for the future if I get bored. The general PVP reward of the War Tiger epic mount for reaching rank of Commander could be a goal, albeit a biggie!

Thanx again all for your helpful postings.

Rockwell
11-01-2005, 03:23 PM
5. Pray that Glowing Brightwood Staff drops for me somewhere along the line. Otherwise earn cash to buy. I think I might even go for this before my epic mount.

I think that's a mistake. GBS is good for a 60... but good isn't worth 800g (price may vary). GBS is great for a 54 and if your lucky or rich, then at 54 it's awsome.

Trindlehaven (which I used for ahwile) - Boss in LBRS
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=5291

Hammer of The Grand Crusader - Boss Strat Live
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=37263

Argent Crusader - from a quest
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=19796

Rod of the Ogre Magi - DM Tribute
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=35933



PvP rewards do take some work, I lubs my Ironbark Staff with a passion tho'. I find PvP to be alot of fun and the pace and un-predicatibility of what's gonna happen next always pleases me.... so it hardly seems like work. On the other hand, waiting for 40 people to assemble and endless downtime on raids seems like awful work to me. Keep in mind I'm on Horde with a server pop atleast 2:1 against us... so we don't wait for AB games (I hear alliance on my server have hour+ queues for games).

Taniwha
11-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Thanx...I am sooo up for those ... particl Ham of Grand Crusader ... see, I told you my plan was flexible :)

Thanx again

Taniwha
12-16-2005, 05:31 AM
UPDATE 16 DEC 05: I have finally completed my Wildheart set, scored the Hammer of the Grand Crusader, plus a cool staff the name of which escapes me but is something like staff of mage fire ort woteva (looks like soulburner but much better), I have added +22 int to this and have joined an endgame guild and am running MC (up 2 5th boss) and hoping to get enuff dkps to grab some cenarion when it drops. On PvP front I have got as far as Master Sergeant but lost rank last week. I want to become at least Knight so i can go into that damn officers place and see wots in there! lol. Also having fun farming mats and gold for lvl 19 alts which i play at WSG. These guys are not super tweeked (no blues or high enchants) but with decent greens I am doing okay in BGs.

So thanx again for all your help....now i know there is life after 60! :)

Anubrim
12-17-2005, 02:27 PM
Unless you just dont want to put the time into it, I suggest getting enough rank to get 4 peices of the pvp set. The 15% movement increase you get in all forms is very cool. Mount speed in travel form and travel speed in cat form rocks.

Create
12-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Unless you just dont want to put the time into it, I suggest getting enough rank to get 4 peices of the pvp set. The 15% movement increase you get in all forms is very cool. Mount speed in travel form and travel speed in cat form rocks.
What rank does that require? Does that stack with feline swiftness? Does it stack with your mount? Which faction are you talking about?

Rockwell
12-23-2005, 01:46 PM
What rank does that require? Does that stack with feline swiftness? Does it stack with your mount? Which faction are you talking about?

Rank 8 is needed for 4 pieces (rank10 is 6)

Stack with Feline Swiftness? Yes.

Mount? No, it only works while in feral form.

PvP rank is faction free. If you can generate 30-50k honor a week, I think you can get rank 8 on most servers.... eventually.

Create
12-23-2005, 03:58 PM
I am a PvP newb having run maybe 10 AV/AB/WSG total. I thought there was different gear available depending on which one you were doing. Is this not true? Is it that there's faction gear in addition to PvP gear?

Suppose I were to decide to hit rank 8. What kind of time investment should I expect to reach 40k honor? Which BG is the most efficient? How many weeks am I likely to be doing this for the rank?

I've decided to at least get the rank for the anti-poly/fear trinket as it seems easily obtainable. I'm not sure I want to commit to the honor grind without some idea of what it's going to take to reach my goal.

I really appreciate your help. I ask alot of questions, eh?

Morrigar
12-27-2005, 09:27 PM
I got my mage to rank 5 and it only took about a month, maybe 5 or 6 weeks, from starting at scout. I was almost rank 6 before I quit playing my mage because I got tired of doing BG over and over again and just going in there to get 1 shotted by warriors and hunters. But that's another subject altogether. I was getting around 20k per week doing AB, which if your team does well, does not take that long. Even if you don't win, as long as your team holds out for a decent amount of time, you still get nice bonus honor. I am a casual player and pvped probably 4 hours per week. Hope this helps

Rockwell
12-28-2005, 12:00 PM
I am a PvP newb having run maybe 10 AV/AB/WSG total. I thought there was different gear available depending on which one you were doing. Is this not true? Is it that there's faction gear in addition to PvP gear?

Suppose I were to decide to hit rank 8. What kind of time investment should I expect to reach 40k honor? Which BG is the most efficient? How many weeks am I likely to be doing this for the rank?

I've decided to at least get the rank for the anti-poly/fear trinket as it seems easily obtainable. I'm not sure I want to commit to the honor grind without some idea of what it's going to take to reach my goal.

I really appreciate your help. I ask alot of questions, eh?


Morrigar has it about right... I would say expect to spend 8-10 hours a week for 50k. Alot of it has to do with your server and faction. If your on a server with lower population, it might be harder... if your on a pve server it might be harder... if your faction outnumbers the other faction it might be harder.

On my server, alliance have to wait an hour or so for AB... horde have to wait about 20seconds.

AB is the most effiecnt time vs. honor BG atm. WSG can be good, but one hour long game shoots it's effiency in the foot... and outside of holidays it's rather hard to get a 60 wsg going (atleast on my server). AV is pretty bad for honor farming.

Finally there are seperate faction and rank pvp rewards. Generally speaking AB>AV>WSG... but WSG does have nice rings for honored.

Here's the AB druid/rogue rewards... all the other pvp faction rewards are also under repuation (look at the AC ;) )

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/factions/arathi/rewards-arathi03.html

Claritondeus
12-28-2005, 12:06 PM
Can you please post some of the rewards for those of us behind firewalls? Thank you.

Morrigar
12-28-2005, 09:57 PM
Yeah, doing AB, each one took around 30 mins to finish and would get between 2k and 5k honor, if I remember correctly. That was depending on scores and before this holdiay stuff.

Falloraan
12-29-2005, 03:17 PM
I play Alliance on an Alliance-heavy pve server. I put in about 4-5 hours a day which gets me around 10k honor per day. I play primarily in AB, unless the queue gets closer to 2 hours than 1 hour, in which case I get in line for AV, which never has more than one instance going. WSG never runs unless it is bonus weekend. I used to average between 40-50k honor a week, and that was good enough to get to about Knight. But I have had to ramp it up in my quest for the complete blue pvp set, so my goal now is to get 80k+ honor a week. That puts me around top 60 for the week. After that, not sure I plan on working towards the epic set, I just don't see me having the time to devote to it. All my pvp is done in pick-up groups, so I don't have the luxury of easy wins that take 5 minutes. Since I am on a low Horde population server, a lot of times there is only one instance of AB running, and the group in there is the Horde "A Team" using teamspeak and non one lower than rank 10. Those nights I resign myself to getting little to no honor, and just cashing in the AB honor every three losses.

I have been tracking my progress and the breakdown by rank on my server for the last 11 weeks, it gives a good indication of what it takes to get the first pvp set. Of course if you are on a server that has no wait times for the BGs because you're on the good side of a population imbalance, this might not be as useful. It's in excel, but I converted it to html and would love to post it if I could figure out how to get it to render in this messageboard...

Mysteriis
01-02-2006, 08:49 AM
Get the Cenarion set, and Grand marshal stave ;)
hehe

Create
01-02-2006, 04:20 PM
Thanks for the answers. I've got one more question though.

I think my plan it going to be to team up with a hunter and warrior and essentially be their pocket-healer, hitting cat/bear/swarm/moonfire here & there. Is this an effective method or would I be better off solo? Currently 0/30/21.

Taniwha
01-10-2006, 08:59 AM
Update Jan 10 2006:
For new 60s still looking for stuff to do, here are yet more things I have discovered to aim for (some of which I have done, others still outstanding):

1. Get your druid trinket (Dire Maul)
2. Get your MC, BWL attunments and Ony key (looooong chain quest).
3. Do your MC summoning quest (to fight Major Homo and Rag)
4. Gets some librams and enchant yourself (Ive plumbed for +150 mana...but theres also +8 healing (Focus) and +8 int (Voracity) that might interest resto druids.
5. Get your various keys (BRD, UBRS, DM etc)
6. Get all your profs up to 300 (skinners can go 315 with enchant and finkle skinner)
7. Nag your guild leader to get Ventrilo or Teamspeak...it adds so much more to the game

I am playing waaaay more now than pre-60 and really looking 4wrd to downing Rag and moving on to Ony and BWL where Stormrage set will become a possibility.

I really enjoyed my old guild but it was too small for this sort of endgame stuff and my new guild is young, organised, enthusiastic and full of really great people. I'm so lucky to have found them. It's also wonderful to run UBRS/BRD?Scholo etc with a guild group and not a pug and also own it totally.

Okay, so this stuff may seem obvious...sorry if it does, but maybe it;ll help some1 who's lost their way temporarily...I found when that happens it only takes one goal to get you back in the saddle :)

Meanwhile I scored my first MC epic the other night ... Salamander Scale Pants with a +51 healing, +9 mana/5 secs etc...wOOOt! Not cenarion, admittedly, but in some respects better. I'm soooo happy LOL :)

Happy hunting :)