I Was Gonna Do Both PVE And Battle Grounds.... The Guild Im In Has Alot Of Casters Is a 31/0/20 Build Good For Both Ways...

I'm going for more of a 34/13/4, to get the feral charge, feline swiftness, and 4 ranks in furor (80% is pretty reliable).

I think the versatility of the melee forms compliments the moonkin casting better than trying to also play up the healer role, since I don't spend much time in NE caster form. Plus the thick hide boosts moonkin armor as well, and not getting detected in stealth is pretty handy since I usually start in cat build up a quick combo then switch thru NE for a rejuv and then go Moonkin to finish.

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This seems A Bit Better

Ah, NO.

I definitely wouldn't give up OoC, one of the nicest perks of a Balance build, procs in all forms, and really extends mana pool in moonkin.

Also, would not take IMotW over furur, and definitely not Improved enrage with no other feral type talents.

For fun I was thinking about a similar spread Moonkin only 2pts in NG, 5pts in Wrath and no points in Refelction.

This is just Theorycraft here, but improved enrage > Furor cause you can just get your instant 10 rage to bust a bash or pad out a feral regen.... and all for the cost of 2 pts instead of 5. With no feral charge and 15rage mauls... that from enrage is all you really need.

Since your talking about BG's and Raids... I wouldn't go into either without NF, which rules out a Balance/Feral build straight out. There's a new PvP druid Alliance side on my server who has to be some variant of 15/31/5... always cat/bear and atleast 3 times now I've torn'm down in cat as he couldn't heal himself through my dots/melee (I know it's fine, learn2barskin).

When ever I get around to trying this, I too plan on avoiding OOC/natural weapons... I'm a known healer, and a popular target... I really don't see running right up into melee... we'll see in a couple of weeks.

Keep in mind, if your happy killing dis-organized noobs... anything will work. Best of the Best are always gonna try and nail the healers early and if they see your a druid... your a healer, if you actually heal or not is rather inconsquential.

Now you have me thinking about respec'ing. And I love feral. I'm curious to see how many have done both Moonkin and feral builds and which they prefer for BG and why. Anyone?

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My Brother Loves This Build Im Gonna Do It As Well.....

Mana Regen Via Reflection And Killer Spell Dmg

Its really a matter of playstyle, if you want to hang back with the squishy casters, giving up OoC isn't a big deal, but then why would you take Improved enrage?

if you want to hang back with the squishy casters, giving up OoC isn't a big deal, but then why would you take Improved enrage?


This is just Theorycraft here, but improved enrage > Furor cause you can just get your instant 10 rage to bust a bash or pad out a feral regen.... and all for the cost of 2 pts instead of 5. With no feral charge and 15rage mauls... that from enrage is all you really need.


Sometimes the fight comes to you....

I know you will draw aggro and mobs as a caster, but in those cases are you really going to shift out of Moonkin thru your squishiest form, then spend 30% of your mana pool to drop into bear to get the exact same AC you just had? and if you do, what real benefit is the 10 rage? getting a bash out quick? If you are horde, you could have stayed Moonkin and used a warstomp. I mean really if you had WS in bear would you still feel the same about Bash? and he doesn't even have the extra second from improved bash. As far as padding for a frenzied regen, 10 rage gets you what 100 hp of regen? You could have stayed Moonkin and drank a pot for ten times that.

All I am saying it seems odd to spend those two points there when there are better uses he could make of them then getting a little extra rage by lowering his armor after burning nearly a third of his mana to get there (assuming he could).

Be careful, the major complaint I see from people who didn't enjoy Moonkin is they claim they were always out of mana. By focusing so heavy on the two mana dependent trees (nuking and healing), you are inviting accelerating the effect (despite the better regen).

First off, your not burning 1/3 of your mana pool on a shape shift. I think at bare mininum, your looking at ~4k mana at 60 and with this build you have 30% cheaper shifts... so your talking about 1/8 at worst of your mana pool.

Next point is... just cause you have moonkin doesn't mean your in it 100% of the time. I can very much picture spending alot of time out of moonkin form with a 31 balance build. Moonkin is just the AC and 3% spell crit... nice and all, but you still have some good reasons to not be moonkin at all times.

Third, Warstomp is good (I am horde) but it's on a 2 minute timer so it's not always there. I had a 0 talent bear for along time level'n up pre 1.8, if you really think that you need alot of talents or even gear to find effective uses of bear... I dunno what to say other then trust me, it has it's uses.

I agree, this is a mana intensive build... if I went with this build it would be to fill in caster damage till we get to the boss where I heal... it's not like every fight I'd be trying to DPS and Heal, more of one or the other.

You make a good point about not already being in Moonkin. If he drew aggro whil ehealing for instance going to bear is same cost as going to Moonkin. I was thinking about him drawing aggro from the big crits on damage spells.

The linked stopped working for me, but I didn't think he was showing any points in Natural shapeshifter. That talent really is a big help, but even more so when making good use of feral forms, which I still think would be better with a few points in them.

and I don't mean to say a 0 talent bear is useless, but I think the Moonkin form has several advantages over it (scalable weapons, weapon procs, ability to use items (trinkets and pots), etc... And if you were not going to have a 0 talent bear (he is effectively showing a 2 talent pt bear), there are better places to use the points.