Re: Bigger Hypocrites than Christians/"Republicans"?
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:58 pm
oh, ya, hey Aidon. Good to see your post.
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This is what the protests are about.These studies are important contributions to the broader debate about the working class. But they represent a minority opinion. Almost everything we know about wages and prices tells us that the typical household has suffered a Lost Decade for market wages. Just as important, the price of necessities -- such as health care, a college education, a house, and energy to heat your home and run your car engine -- is growing faster than our incomes.
That video was painful to watch. Are you really agreeing with that idiot, who tells a crowd of unemployed losers that the government is spending THEIR money on such-and-such project that Ron Paul doesn't like?Fyyr wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU
The taxpayers are the rich. The money can only flow from rich people to other people (rich or poor), but never from the poor to the rich.Fyyr wrote:You have to admit that money flowing from taxpayers to the rich that way is kinda wrong
You make it sound as though it's a totally unproductive leeching activity, like personal injury lawyers suing whenever some moron does something particularly stupid (hi Aidon!).Fyyr wrote:People who are rich because they move money around, for example. Where do you find those people, Wall Street.
Again with the notion of corporations as welfare agencies. They are not, and never have been. Their goal is to make profit, not to hire you. They will only hire you if they think they can make more profit by doing so. There is nothing morally wrong or evil about this; it is how poor people work too.Aidon wrote:Corporations are making record profits but not hiring. It is only natural that people are getting frustrated.
You mean, thanks to the rich people, who pay all the bills.Aidon wrote:Were it not for the massive foundational wealth of our society which has permitted most people to, at the very least, keep themselves fed and the general civility of our era,
But they (and you) conveniently ignore this, from your same link:Zute wrote:This is what the protests are about.
You love pointing out this graph, but even this one shows the extent of the problem if you look beyond the surface.Tudamorf wrote:Take a good, long look: those evil top 1% are the ones funding 35-40% of the federal government. The rest of the funding comes from the upper middle class, and next to nothing comes from the poor.Zute wrote:This is what the protests are about.
Only if you make more wild assumptions than Fyyr does in a global warming thread.erianaiel wrote:This means that the average top 1pct makes about 130 times as much as the average 99pct. No way how you look at it that much concentration of wealth is not a healthy economic situation
Read the title of the graph again: it is ALL federal taxes, not just income tax. If it were just income tax, you'd see the bottom 50% paying zero, and the top 1% paying even more.erianaiel wrote:(* There is more to it than income tax. There is also the payroll tax and sales taxes just to name a few that are primarily paid by the the poorer part of the population. The income tax is only for those who are employed and earn enough to raise above the poverty line).
I don't know any poor people scraping by to get food or medicine. The government hands out those things, as well as many others, for free to poor people, thanks to money the government gets from the rich people.Zute wrote:When you're scrapping by trying to buy food, medicine, etc,
Actually, Reagan got rid of the favored long term capital gains rate in 1986, and made it the same as the ordinary rate.Zute wrote:The tax code restructuring that started with Regan made the super rich what they are today... super richer.
If the guy emptying his trash were a little smarter, he would be paying less too.Zute wrote:And like he points out, he's paying essentially the same percentage of his income in taxes as the guy emptying his trash can at night.
Objective? Your leaving out half the facts and telling us you provided all the facts. Damn that sound like Fox "News" piping out your mouth. Zute is being more objective than you.Tudamorf wrote:I don't know any poor people scraping by to get food or medicine. The government hands out those things, as well as many others, for free to poor people, thanks to money the government gets from the rich people.Zute wrote:When you're scrapping by trying to buy food, medicine, etc,
Even the penniless psychotic homeless that roam the streets here can get free housing, free drug treatment services, free medical/psychiatric care, free food, and even a free pay check to buy more drugs. Some of them are too crazy to avail themselves of these services, but we still go out of our way to offer it to them.
These are objective facts, which you cannot deny.
And added different tax breaks (a.k.a. Loopholes) that were greater than the tax breaks they received from the capital gains.Actually, Reagan got rid of the favored long term capital gains rate in 1986, and made it the same as the ordinary rate.Zute wrote:The tax code restructuring that started with Regan made the super rich what they are today... super richer.
Your still under the assumption that rich people are paying taxes on the income they are earning. The News agencies have been proving that they are paying nothing or less than the lower middle class, and some of the honest rich have come out admitting such. Yet, your Right wing leanings attack them for their honesty. How long can you live in your "bubble?"If the guy emptying his trash were a little smarter, he would be paying less too.Zute wrote:And like he points out, he's paying essentially the same percentage of his income in taxes as the guy emptying his trash can at night.
I'll see if you can see the folly in this statement?Through 2012, taxpayers in the lowest two tax brackets pay zero tax on long term capital gains (prior to that it was 5% under the Bush tax cuts). So while they get to cash out tax-free on investments held for over one year, rich people still have to pay 15%.
Your right, he was be honest, he gets more. Right leaning thinkers can't handle honesty. Buffet gets more credits, has more ways to shelter his money, and makes money off the tax system "as is."Buffett is also being disingenuous when he makes that comparison, because he doesn't get the same credits, relative to his tax paid, that the trash collector gets.
Have you ever lived in a poor neighborhood? A truly poor neighborhood? If you call that being "coddled" then you are a .....Poor people are the ones being coddled, they just don't realize it, or take it for granted, and want even more.